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    Intersting story from Jalen Rose

    Jalen Rose on the Grantland podcast talking about the 40 point playoff game, and his relationship with Larry Brown:


    One of the best bulletin board situations I was a part of, and this was in an interesting dynamic, because Larry Brown was the coach of the Indiana Pacers and he basically ran our team into the ground his final year there, we did not make the playoffs because he knew he was going to Philladelphia.

    Jacoby: What did he do to run you team into the ground?

    Coaches are like the person controlling the chessboard and while there’s a king, all of the pieces are important in control of the chessboard to the dynamic of a roster. And a coach can massage it to the point where, you’re not getting the maximum out of everyone. He did that with the Knicks.

    When we got a chance to play against him the next year, now granted, we were a team that didn’t make the playoffs. The next season we were playing in the ECF Game 7 versus Michael and the Bulls WITH BASICALLY THE SAME TEAM. So, that’s how you run a situation into the ground. So, when we got a chance to play against him in the playoffs, those next couple of seasons we used fuel to not only go against one of the best players in the league Allen Iverson, but you had the extra umph of wow, this is the coach who sabotaged our season.

    >>Did you have a conversation before the game with the team?
    We all had conversations about it. To the point where not only did we wanna beat Philly, we wanted to stick it to him.

    One of my favorite games of my career, and this has only happened four or five times in NBA playoff history- Shaq and Kobe didn’t do it, Mike and Scotty didn’t do it in the playoffs, Durant and Westbrook haven’t done it in the playoffs, LBJ/Wade haven’t done it in the playoffs. And that’s having two players score 40 pts in the same game. And Reggie and I were fortunate enough to do it.
    There were times in that game when we would literally take turns. I think me and Reggie were the only guys on our team to score double figures in that game. It was Mark Jackson who was the maestro of it, Larry Bird was the coach, Rick Carlisle was offensive coordinator. When you get two guys going, and you’ve got a floor general like Mark Jackson, who’s one of the all-time leading assist leaders ever to play the game, and you’ve got the extra motivation to not only beat Philly because you’re in the playoffs, but also to stick it to Larry Brown, that was something that meant a lot to me especially, because I was one of the people during that year when he was running the team into the ground that got 15 DNPs. I was a guy he brought into the office and said Jalen – we had just taken a trip to Europe and played Seattle and Gary Payton was playing at the time. I was playing point guard for the Pacers and we played them back-to-back games. And one of those games, I think it was Gary Payton, I think I had like 20 plus points, 10 plus assists – I was playing good basketball. I’m thinking that now this is gonna carry on to the rest of the season. We get back to Indiana after practice one day coach brown brings me into the office one day and says “Chris Webber and Juwan Howard – they’re trending up. Ray Jackson and Jimmy King – they’re trending down. I’m going to be the determining factor into which way you go.” And I looked at him and I said, “No you’re not. You can do whatever you have to do, but I’m still gonna be competitive in practice, I’m still gonna work on my game, and hopefully, it translates to opportunities.” And he didn’t play me in 15 games that year.

    >>>And the next year you scored 40 in the playoffs?

    Two season after that when he was in Philly. So, there was a time when we went and played against Detroit, my hometown. I had 80 people at the game. Now granted, I’m no rookie, this is my third year. I started in Denver the second half of my rookie season, I made the All-Rookie team, I played in the All-Rookie Game, I was no Tim Duncan as a rookie, but I showed a little bit of promise. My second year I was a starter - I think I had the assist record for the Nuggets. My next year we made the playoffs and got swept by the San Antonio Spurs. That summer is when I got traded.

    So Larry, being the head coach, he had the pulse that, for some reason, I wasn’t on his like list. You know on Facebook how you can like somebody? He didn’t like me. And I didn’t do anything to actually feed into it. I would be honest with you and tell you, ‘Man, that day in practice I shouldn’t have said that’. It was from the beginning. He didn’t give me a chance to do anything I didn’t like. So we go to Europe, and I have this good game against Gary Payton and the Sonics with Shawn Kemp. I’m thinking that this is gonna translate into a good year for me and then we have that meeting and I’m like ‘Oh God’. One of the games early I was getting moderate minutes – maybe 10-12 per game – we go to Detroit, my hometown. This is my third trip to Detroit, I had played there once a year with Denver my first two years. Now I’m in the Eastern Conference, we’re gonna go to them twice a season. My first trip to Detroit, 80 fans in the stands that I bought tickets for. My uncle’s got a big sign for me, my mom’s sitting courtside, all my people are there. He didn’t play me for the first 3 quarters. He put me in during the fourth quarter and I had five straight points. I went 2-2 and Detroit called a timeout. During the timeout he took me out of the game. At first it was against Washington. He didn’t want me to go against Chris Webber and Juwan Howard who were the stars of that team, you know the media build-up was three of the Fab Five were about to play, ladadada. So going into that game, I think he played me like 8 minutes. And then the Detroit game happened soon after that. So, it was all bad that rest of the season. I was able to use that motivation as a player, work in practice, keep my attitude up, I had good teammates who still supported me, I had good vets around me, Reggie, Antonio Davis, Dale Davis. So when we played them in the playoffs, we did use that bulletin board material.
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    Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

    we need link

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    • #3
      Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

      Interesting story. Brown definitely seems like he is a guy who players grow tired of quickly. You learn a lot from him, but he wears you out in the process, both physically and mentally. In Reggie's book, he sounds like he respects Brown, but you can tell that Brown got on his nerves quite a bit. I'm a bit too young to have a clear memory of that season, but Brown must have done a pretty poor job for the team to not even make the playoffs. I realize that Smits missed 30 games and that Jackson was traded before the season, but there was too much talent on that team to completely whiff on the playoffs. Hopefully this topic elicits a good post from ChicagoJ about "the season we do not discuss".

      I'm sure that the players did cartwheels when Bird was hired. Bird was the anti-Brown.

      I forgot that Rose had to play for Brown in NY in 05-06. I bet he hated that.

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      • #4
        Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

        Coaching Rose was no day at the beach either. Whenever Brown was asked why Jalen wasn't playing Brown would always reply by asking who is he going to guard. That was a very legitimate question because Jalen often approached defense as though it were optional.

        Smi

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        • #5
          Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          we need link
          I transcribed the text from the podcast, which can be found here: http://www.grantland.com/podcasts/_/...ntland-network

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          • #6
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            We ABSOLUTELY need a "season we do not discuss" warning on this.

            This just makes me want to scream.
            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
            And life itself, rushing over me
            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by Eddie Gill View Post
              I transcribed the text from the podcast, which can be found here: http://www.grantland.com/podcasts/_/...ntland-network
              I listened to the podcast, as Rose's stories are always fun, but +1 for transcribing it.

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                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                Hopefully this topic elicits a good post from ChicagoJ about "the season we do not discuss".


                Already replied before I saw this. For a bit of perspective .... my half-season package that year the Pacers went 3-19 (and one of the wins may have been the damn preseason game. Our package really got it bad...) In late March, there's nearly nobody at the game and somebody comes down to talk to me and Jay's_Wife@Aisle20 and said, "I've skipped a couple of games lately, but you're here every game. This has to have been hard." My response: "I'm learning to hate this team."



                They were four games under 0.500.

                Rik Smits missed thirty games. They were two games under 0.500 with him (25-27) and two games under 0.500 (14-16) without him.

                Mark Jackson was brought back at the trading deadline. We were two games under 0.500 when he came back (also 25-27, but that's coincidence), and finished two games under 0.500 for the rest of the season (14-16)


                Oh it keeps working.

                Derrick McKey played 50 games (started 49). In those fifty games? Yep, 24-26. The other 32 games? 15-17.

                Dale Davis played 80 games. Yep... 39-41 in the games he played and 0-2 in the games he missed.

                Haywoode Workman mutilated his knee after the fourth game. Yep, you gessed it, 1-3 when when played and 38-40 over the rest of the season.

                Any way you slice it, that team was just destined to be four games under 0.500.

                The Vinnie Askew expiriment was a little bit worse... 19-24. Of course, his inability to throw an inbounds pass at crunch time in about four games in a row while Derrick was out contributed to that. How he stayed in that role for four games is a mystery.

                At least Larry decided to set Eddie Johnson free from his Hell. And Denver did, too, allowing the revitalized Eddie to average 11 ppg as Houston's sixth man after languishing next to Jalen for a number of DNP-CD's.

                Erick Dampier was probably the highlight of that season, as a rookie. He was at least two games over 0.500 in the 72 games he played (37-35), making us 2-8 in the other ten games.


                I seriously could have filmed an NBA Commerical for "I hate this team."

                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #9
                  Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                  Oh, this was fun.

                  NOW I'M JUST HONKED OFF!!

                  Where's that Larry Brown punching bag?

                  You know it was bad when Mayor Fred Hoiberg is happy to be quoted in the Indy Star at the end of the season about how the playes won't miss Brown.

                  Seriously... I NEED TO GO PUNCH SOMETHING NOW.

                  There's a reason we don't discuss this... MY BLOOD PRESSSURE!
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                  • #10
                    Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                    Oh, this was fun.

                    NOW I'M JUST HONKED OFF!!

                    Where's that Larry Brown punching bag?

                    You know it was bad when Mayor Fred Hoiberg is happy to be quoted in the Indy Star at the end of the season about how the playes won't miss Brown.

                    Seriously... I NEED TO GO PUNCH SOMETHING NOW.

                    There's a reason we don't discuss this... MY BLOOD PRESSSURE!

                    The one game I saw in person that season was a March win against Dallas when Hoiberg scored what was then a career high of 21 points.

                    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...703260IND.html

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                    • #11
                      Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                      This game was actually the highlight of the season, and one that I won't forget...

                      http://www.basketball-reference.com/...703120IND.html

                      Not because Pacers-Hawks was a good rivalry at that point, because it was.

                      Rather, it was the halftime tribute to Roger Brown:

                      http://www.indystar.com/article/19970311/NEWS06/703110301/Pacers-great-Roger-Brown-given-an-emotional-goodbye

                      Small blurb here from the otherwise detested Sam Smith, just a few days before Roger's death...

                      http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...h-tim-duncan/2

                      Nice gesture: The Spurs' Chuck Person was in Indianapolis recently with a $10,000 check for the fund for former Pacers great Roger Brown, who has terminal cancer. Person, who still maintains a home in Indianapolis, said: "I'm not doing this for self-gratification. I'm doing this to make people aware that sometimes great people are struck down before their time."
                      The Spurs were also in town on Saturday night of that weekend. Chuck had been back in Indy rehabbing his back from the airplane injury and was at this game walking with a cane. That had to be odd for him - because of Roger and being back at his house on Geist, but he had to be part of the Spurs team that day.

                      http://www.basketball-reference.com/...703080IND.html I'm trying to remember... I think we were expecting a video tribute that night but it wasn't ready yet/ being saved for the service on the 11th and shown again on the 12th. They did put the spotlight on Rahjah's jersey and Chuck and Dale got huge ovations for their generosity to the Brown family.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                        Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                        This part of the article was touching:

                        Brown's pallbearers were ex-teammates Mel Daniels, George
                        McGinnis, Bob Netolicky and Hillman, along with former Pacer Chuck
                        Person and current Pacer Dale Davis. Person and Davis had been
                        particularly generous in donating money to help pay for Brown's
                        medical expenses.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                          Back to happier times, here's the box on the 40-40 game.

                          http://www.basketball-reference.com/...005060IND.html

                          The starting lineup combined for 84. Reggie with 40. Jalen with 40. Smits with 4. Jackson and DD both had gooseeggs on a combined 0-10.

                          However, Croshere was also in double digits with 11.

                          Derrick McKey was next at 7 points. 3-3 from the floor with 2 assists - one of his better games from that era, and probably a (you-know-what) to Brownie, too.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #14
                            Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                            larry brown was a guy who knew his x's and o's
                            he also had a very, very short shelf life and players eventually wear out at least mentally from playing for him. i remember a line from danny manning when larry followed him to the clips and said something like 'it's time to get away from larry brown'
                            i remember seeing brown in the last half of the season when i could see the total look of disinterest on his face and there were people with signs pleading for him not to go. i couldn'y understand why though as he was more committed to doing it his way than winning anymore.
                            he would much rather get blown out than play guys he didn't like.
                            UB is correct that jalen wasn't always the easiest guy to deal with but brown must not have been either and it was very much time for him to go.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Intersting story from Jalen Rose

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              Coaching Rose was no day at the beach either. Whenever Brown was asked why Jalen wasn't playing Brown would always reply by asking who is he going to guard. That was a very legitimate question because Jalen often approached defense as though it were optional.

                              Smi
                              And then Bird was hired and Rose immediately flourished. Clearly Rose deserves some accountability, but it sounds like Brown was an *** to him from day one and didn't like him. The immediate rise of Rose under Bird shows that Brown wasn't doing something right. You can't handout 15 DNPs to the player you traded Mark Jackson for.

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