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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    Pick and roll with Paul George and David West.

    No iso's.

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    Generally West, if we can't get him the ball and we need someone to score off the dribble then Hill or George, if it's after a timeout with a play that involves screens and a spot up shot then Danny
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    Where's Pendergraph option?
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    Hill/West pick and pop.

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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    Pick and roll with David West and George Hill
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    Can I cop out and say it depends on the matchups, depends on who is hot?

    OK, I like pick and rolls with George Hill and West or Paul George and West.

    I am not against an iso with Paul George, although I don't like an iso where he hold the ball to start. I would rather do a little misdirection first and get Paul the ball on the move and let him go to work against a defense that isn't set.

    Also fine with getting the ball to West at either elbow and letting him go to work - but again I would rather a little misdirection first so the defense can't lock in as easily.

    Roy isn't a primary option at this point - unless he csn get the ball deep in the lane, but even then he tends to miss very makable shots. If he is in the game in those situations he is there to maybe get a putback.

    Lance? I wouldn't have him a primary option right now either. Not yet

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    Pick and roll with Paul George and David West.

    No iso's.
    Agreed. I like a lot of what we have been doing offensively but I don't like Vogel's theory that Paul and West don't create mis matches. They are your two best offensive players they should always create mismatches.

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    Can I cop out and say it depends on the matchups, depends on who is hot?

    OK, I like pick and rolls with George Hill and West or Paul George and West.

    I am not against an iso with Paul George, although I don't like an iso where he hold the ball to start. I would rather do a little misdirection first and get Paul the ball on the move and let him go to work against a defense that isn't set.

    Also fine with getting the ball to West at either elbow and letting him go to work - but again I would rather a little misdirection first so the defense can't lock in as easily.

    Roy isn't a primary option at this point - unless he csn get the ball deep in the lane, but even then he tends to miss very makable shots. If he is in the game in those situations he is there to maybe get a putback.

    Lance? I wouldn't have him a primary option right now either. Not yet
    Isn't it refreshing to have up to 4 decent to solid "last minute scoring" options to choose from?

    I like that we don't have to rely on Granger being the only scoring option at the end of a game. Assuming all things are equal.....I'd easily put GH and West ahead of Granger when it comes to getting a crunch time score when down by 1.
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    I voted for West, but really I think the PnR with PG/West is the option, with the first option getting the ball to David.

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    Agreed. I like a lot of what we have been doing offensively but I don't like Vogel's theory that Paul and West don't create mis matches. They are your two best offensive players they should always create mismatches.
    Uh yeah. The Lakers were running PnR's with Kobe handling the ball and getting screened by Nash.

    There are very few teams that start 4s, or would have 4s in that situation, that wouldn't be a good option to run against a PG/West PnR.

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    Right now in this order:

    West
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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    the ball in his hands? Hill.

    And after the pick and roll or pop, most likely he'll pass the ball to West.

    Unless of course the defense parts like the red sea, the George Hill can take it to the rim or use the floater.

    But he's the guy I want handling the ball and making the decision about who on the court to distribute it to.
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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    I voted Lance, he can beat his man off the dribble and pass better than anyone else on the team. I'd love to see him force the defense to collapse then kick it to West for a short jumper.

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    I want a West iso so vnzla81 can have an apoplectic fit.
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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    If I had to pick one player to take the last second shot - assuming the shot selection is equal. Meaning sure I would rather Roy get a dunk than West get a closely guarded 20 ft shot. I want West to take the last shot Except when he plays only seeing out of one eye.

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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    Pick and roll is the real answer, but I voted assuming an isolation play, so I chose David West. He can shoot and he can put the ball on the floor to get closer to the hoop.

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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    Paul George is the man he should have the ball at the end of the game with 10 seconds left, a West Iso is not a good play with 10 seconds left he needs more time for that.

    So with 10 second left my order goes like this:

    Paul George (the new face of the Pacers), Hill and West.

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    I want a West iso so vnzla81 can have an apoplectic fit.

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    If you want Paul to be an elite player you need to give him these shots. He's been fairly clutch lately, but mostly off of designed plays. But I think that West should receive the ball for now. PG should do the last second shots at the end of the first half to get a feel for them and start taking them next year.

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    I like it that since the very first reply, and almost constantly after, people on here have focused on what sort of play we'd want to see run, as opposed to what sort of hero-ball isolation situation we'd prefer to be stuck with.

    The infatuation with the idea of someone needing to be "the man" who will demand the ball and stick the shot, defense be damned, is one that has disturbed me for a long time. Maybe I'm getting old, but hero-ball did not seem to be a prominent game-ending strategy before Jordan. Don't get me wrong, while I hated Jordan as a thorn in our sides, I fully appreciated his status and ability and saw him be a willing passer when the situation called for it (e.g. Paxton). But an unfortunate by-product of his greatness and actually making some hero-ball-like shots was that media and even other fans have drilled it into us that greatness is personified by the hero-ball game-ending play. That play is supposed to be executed by players who really can't pull it off, while we also recognize that even for great semi-Jordan players like Kobe, the hero-ball option is really a low percentage play, if you actually review all of the stats.

    Having said that, if it even makes sense, I cast my write-in ballot to pull Reggie out from behind the microphone, have him come off two picks set by Davises, where someone is ready to deliver the pass chest high for the catch-and-shoot.

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    Can I pick none of the above? It seems like every player on our team has choked in the clutch this year. Granger was the only somewhat consistent clutch player IMO. George and Lance can still get better, but I think if you just throw the ball to Hill or West down 1 and they are going to take the last shot they are going to lose you the game twice for every one time they will win it for you. Reggie was the opposite of that. Until we find or develop that player we will lose to certain teams in close games more than not because they have better clutch players.

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    Default Re: Down 1 with 10 seconds, whose hands would you like the ball in?

    Danny Granger
    George Hill
    Paul George.

    I had D.West 3rd, but his boneheaded plays late in the 4th of the last two games has left a sour taste in my mouth lol.
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    I'm still trying to figure out why Lance is even an option.
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    I'm still trying to figure out why Lance is even an option.
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    In all seriousness, he probably has the best ability to get off a good look be it in the lane or a jump-shot.....

    But he also is the least likely to hit the shot, and the most likely to do something silly and/or turn the ball over

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