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Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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  • #91
    Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

    Originally posted by Mr.Hinds View Post
    What really makes me think Oladipo could fall down the draft is the depth of the shooting guard position in this draft. There isn't a star 2 guard out there but there are a lot of potential guys.

    Muhammad, UCLA.
    McLamore, Kansas.
    Goodwin, Kentucky.
    Smart, OklSt
    Paul, Illinois

    Now I think Vic is better in some areas than most of those guys, defense particularly. But almost all those guys have shown the ability to score longer than Oladipo has.
    Smart is a pg anyone playing him at the 2 is wasting his talent.

    Trey Burke reminds me a lot of Jameer Nelson really good shooter and PnR player.

    I would currently put McLemore #1 Victor #2 and Bazz #3. Bazz is a really good scorer but he doesn't have the complete game of Ben and Victor IMO. To be fair to him he has only been in game shape a few games. However his holes are glaring and pretty big in terms of his play. The more I see him the less I like him so left hand dominate and not a good passer at all.

    alo the other night when he cried after Larry Drew the 3rd made the game winner wasnt cool. I want win first guys and that was so me first it was sad to see.


    How about Larry Drew proving Dr. Awesome wrong dude has become a great college pg for UCLA.
    Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-10-2013, 09:26 PM.

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    • #92
      Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      How about Larry Drew proving Dr. Awesome wrong dude has become a great college pg for UCLA.
      You are really stretching the definition of the word "great" aren't you?

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      • #93
        Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

        Originally posted by cdash View Post
        You are really stretching the definition of the word "great" aren't you?
        lol
        Ya little hyperbole He has been decent to good this year especially considering how in flux his team is. I agreed with Dr. Awesome though he wasn't very good for UNC and needed to go. Especially considering how bad his skill set is he has become pretty good for a guy who can't shoot a lick.

        Great is more of where he came from he wasnt very good just kind of surprising how improved he is.

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        • #94
          Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

          http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=2013130203010

          Paul George on Victor Oladipo: 'That kid's got game

          by: Curt Cavin

          It didn’t take a dunker to know what a spectacular effort Indiana University’s Victor Oladipo gave in his near-miss of a jam Saturday night on a ball thrown behind him.

          But Paul George, a standout in last year’s NBA’s Slam Dunk contest, said today following an Indiana Pacers' practice at Bankers Life Fieldhouse that Oladipo nearly delivered an all-time keeper.

          “It would have been crazy if he would have got that down,” said George, who watched the 81-73 victory over No. 1 Michigan from the third row. “It would have been a top play (on television) for a while.”

          George said he marveled at the Assembly Hall atmosphere, easily the loudest environment he’s experienced as a spectator. But while his ears were filled with noise, his eyes were fixed on Oladipo.
          “That kid’s got game,” the NBA All-Star said. “I like his game.”
          PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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          • #95
            Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post

            How about Larry Drew proving Dr. Awesome wrong dude has become a great college pg for UCLA.
            Now it really just seems like your searching for things...not sure what I ever did to you, but whatever.

            Regarding Drew, I have no clue what you are talking about. I don't remember ever saying anything about him outside of the fact that Kendall Marshall was a lot better? I have no idea what you are referring to, but whatever. If I did say anything, I don't remember it and not sure why you would.

            Please, tell me how I'm wrong some more with fake facts.

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            • #96
              Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

              Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
              Now it really just seems like your searching for things...not sure what I ever did to you, but whatever.

              Regarding Drew, I have no clue what you are talking about. I don't remember ever saying anything about him outside of the fact that Kendall Marshall was a lot better? I have no idea what you are referring to, but whatever.

              Please, tell me how I'm wrong some more with fake facts.
              I got no problem with you like reading your stuff and talking college hoops maybe should of been clearer.

              It was a joke everyone though he sucked because he did. I figured you didn't like him I know my Carolina friend hated the guys game. Maybe I should of put it in green but I figured you remembered how bad he was so you would get the joke. Didnt he shoot like 30% I couldn't stand watching him at UNC.



              Also regarding Marshall it always seemed like you wanted to trade up for the guy. You would post in threads we need a guy like Marshall. I could dig them up but that takes a lot of time. It's no big deal just a misunderstanding if I knew you only though he was be a solid backup I wouldn't of ripped your take on him so much. I still don't think he will be a good backup but that isn't unrealistic at all if he improves a little. Now becoming a good starting I though was insane and I always though you believed that is what he would become.


              EDIT: and how about one of my favorite backup prospects vs one of yours in Reggie Jackson vs Kendall Marshall is on right now. I look forward to watching that matchup all night/
              Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-10-2013, 09:38 PM.

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              • #97
                Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                I get that you thought I didn't like him, but you said this:

                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                How about Larry Drew proving Dr. Awesome wrong dude has become a great college pg for UCLA.
                When in reality, I've never said anything about the guy. So your just putting words in my mouth in an attempt to "prove" I'm wrong.

                In fact, I said this last year:
                Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                You can go back to last year with Larry Drew(who by college standards is a decent PG) and still see the difference. It is night and day.
                Hardly see me talking trash about him there, but whatever.

                Since you seem interested in bashing me though, I'll own up to what I did say:

                5 Overrated:
                Tyler Zeller - He has a place in the NBA, I just don't think he will be as good as everyone seems to think.
                John Henson - I see him as a poor mans Ed Davis. He'll block shots, but until he adds some weight he will get bullied.
                Austin Rivers - I just don't see him being great at anything at the next level. At most I think he's a solid backup who can put points on the board.
                Jeremy Lamb - I don't think its anything he has done wrong, I just don't see it. I don't know why.
                Dion Waiters - I think he will end up being a hollow stats guy. He's going to score, but will his play make his team better? I don't know.

                5 Underrated:
                Kendall Marshall - Bet no one saw that coming haha. The guy makes EVERYONE on his team better. He makes offensively inept people turn into weapons.
                Meyers Leonard - I love the guy. I think he's a project, but will ultimately be a lot better than Tyler Zeller.
                Terrence Ross - I can't figure out why this guy isn't a top 7 pick. I love his game.
                Moe Harkless - I think over the course of his career he will be a lot better than many of the people picked before him.
                Jared Sullinger - This years DeJuan Blair. However, Sullinger is leagues above Blair in talent. It all comes down to health, but I'd take the chance on him.
                Jury is still out on some of them - though I don't think anyone has really proven me wrong yet.

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                • #98
                  Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                  Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                  I got no problem with you like reading your stuff and talking college hoops maybe should of been clearer.

                  It was a joke everyone though he sucked because he did. I figured you didn't like him I know my Carolina friend hated the guys game. Maybe I should of put it in green but I figured you remembered how bad he was so you would get the joke. Didnt he shoot like 30% I couldn't stand watching him at UNC.



                  Also regarding Marshall it always seemed like you wanted to trade up for the guy. You would post in threads we need a guy like Marshall. I could dig them up but that takes a lot of time. It's no big deal just a misunderstanding if I knew you only though he was be a solid backup I wouldn't of ripped your take on him so much. I still don't think he will be a good backup but that isn't unrealistic at all if he improves a little. Now becoming a good starting I though was insane and I always though you believed that is what he would become.


                  EDIT: and how about one of my favorite backup prospects vs one of yours in Reggie Jackson vs Kendall Marshall is on right now. I look forward to watching that matchup all night/
                  I understand, I just don't get why you are putting words in my mouth in the process.

                  As for the matchup, I watched on and off up to this point, but now The Walking Dead is coming on, so I will miss the rest. :-\

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                  • #99
                    Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                    Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                    I understand, I just don't get why you are putting words in my mouth in the process.

                    As for the matchup, I watched on and off up to this point, but now The Walking Dead is coming on, so I will miss the rest. :-\
                    Kendall played pretty good. Westbrook vs anyone isn't fair so that wasn't his fault when Westbrook came back in. I love how OKC move the ball in the 2nd unit though pretty too watch. The Suns are a mess though I hope they figure it out in the coming weeks it's better for them if they don't though. Bazz would fit in well there Dragic and Marshall would get him the ball where he needs it.


                    His plus minus is gonna be super good they were down 20 when he came in they closed it to 5. Then OKC went on a 16-2 run to end the half Dragic's plus minus is gonna be terrible tonight.

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                    • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
                      To be fair, whenever there is a player from the State of Indiana, every(and by every I mean a lot of before you freak out) Pacers fan from Indiana is infatuated with them.

                      See Eric Gordon, Mike Conely, Eric Gordon, Gordan Hayword, Greg Oded, Eric Gordon, and pretty much every other player from Indiana in history.

                      And who could forget the continuing message board obsession with Brick McRoberts?

                      And, lest we forget, it wasn't that long ago that so many grief stricken message boarders moved from Indiana to Sacramento when Brad Miller left the Pacers.

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                      • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                        I am going to get torn apart here, but this does not seem like a good question to me. Trey Burke's game is more for the NBA than Oladipos and it really is not that close. Burke will go top 10. Oladipo will go around 15-20 range. With that being said I would like Oladipo off of our bench.

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                        • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                          Back to the subject.

                          As it stands now, the Pacers have almost zero chance of drafting either player. So I won't venture a speculation.

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                          • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                            Originally posted by WhoLovesYaBaby? View Post
                            Back to the subject.

                            As it stands now, the Pacers have almost zero chance of drafting either player. So I won't venture a speculation.
                            How exactly is that really on subject?

                            You must have missed my missive way back on post #2: On behalf of the board, I took care of the token, "we won't be in position to draft either one of them" speech. Just fun to discuss.

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                            • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                              Originally posted by SouthernIndianaFan View Post

                              I would say he was drafting for position. How do you think he will work out for us?

                              I'd say you are correct. Let's just say I feel OJ, as a 2nd round pick, is the better of the 2 picks, and will be more of a contributor for the Pacers than Chumlee.

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                              • Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

                                Why can't we enjoy some harmless speculation without half the people chiming in that we won't be in position for either one?

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