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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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    He has?
    He's from Indiana. Of course.

    ;-) cdash.

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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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    He has?
    Good point. But do you have an opinion on who is a better defender, right now, in college basketball at his position?

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    Good point. But do you have an opinion on who is a better defender, right now, in college basketball at his position?
    I'm not knocking him, he's a great defender, probably the best in the country. But he hasn't proven he can do anything in the NBA, certainly not an elite level. That's all I'm saying.

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    I'm not knocking him, he's a great defender, probably the best in the country. But he hasn't proven he can do anything in the NBA, certainly not an elite level. That's all I'm saying.
    He can dunk. That should translate easy. LOL.

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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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    He has?
    Here's one example:

    https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/297939527652216832

    And my guess on the 4 players: Trey Burke (averaging 18.2 ppg), Tim Hardaway, Jr. (16.0 ppg), Nik Stauskas (12.1 ppg), and Glenn Robinson III (11.3 ppg).

    Maybe I should have said has the "potential to be" an elite NBA defender, ala Tony Allen.

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    Here's one example:

    https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/297939527652216832

    And my guess on the 4 players: Trey Burke (averaging 18.2 ppg), Tim Hardaway, Jr. (16.0 ppg), Nik Stauskas (12.1 ppg), and Glenn Robinson III (11.3 ppg).
    defending college players well isn't strong evidence of defending NBA players at an elite level

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    We should draft the BPA.

    Ok, so which did Bird do when he drafted Chumlee, BPA or did he draft for position?

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    defending college players well isn't strong evidence of defending NBA players at an elite level
    I'll give you that, especially this season, where college basketball is very mediocre.

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    Here's one example:

    https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/297939527652216832

    And my guess on the 4 players: Trey Burke (averaging 18.2 ppg), Tim Hardaway, Jr. (16.0 ppg), Nik Stauskas (12.1 ppg), and Glenn Robinson III (11.3 ppg).
    Come on shags. He has got be BE IN the NBA to guard NBA players. We aren't gonna win this argument with Heisy.

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    Ok, so which did Bird do when he drafted Chumlee, BPA or did he draft for position?
    You would have to ask the Birdman.

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    defending college players well isn't strong evidence of defending NBA players at an elite level
    I'm thinking about this comment, and I do believe that the ability to create deflections on defense is a good measuring stick to compare a current college player to a player from the past. I know Victor has compared to D Wade on that measure, using the same coach. Of course it wasn't guarding the same players, but it does show his skillset on that measure. Do you agree Heisy?

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    Ok, so which did Bird do when he drafted Chumlee, BPA or did he draft for position?
    BPA.

    And by that I mean Best Plumlee Available.

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    You would have to ask the Birdman.

    If I asked the Birdman, I'd be asking Chris Anderson, and I doubt he knows.

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    If I asked the Birdman, I'd be asking Chris Anderson, and I doubt he knows.
    I would say he was drafting for position. How do you think he will work out for us?

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    BPA.

    And by that I mean Best Plumlee Available.

    LOL!

    So I'm guessing you are saying Bird drafted Chumlee by positional need. A b/u 5, since Mahinmi wasn't gotten until later by Walsh.

    I believe p4e feels there were numerous better BPA than Chumlee still available.

    From what I saw of Arnet Moultrie play in the Philly game, he looked like a nice late 1st rd pick. I know one game is little to make a decision on, but Moultrie plays so little for Philly I've not noticed him in a previous 76ers game. He may not be any better than Chumlee, but he took advantage of his PT against the Pacers.

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    Slightly less explosive Fred Jones
    lol Fred Jones was barely 6'2"

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    Based on nbadraft.net and their current mock draft, players I would take that fall after the Pacers pick over Burke and Oladipo are:

    Doug McDermott
    Tim Hardaway Jr
    CJ Leslie
    Lorenzo Brown
    Patric Young

    I like Gorgui Dieng, but we don't really need a Center. Lucas Nogueira interests me as well, I don't know much about him - however we could just develop him in the NBDL for a few years or keep him overseas. Seems very athletic for a big guy, if we give him a good coach, could turn out to be a steal.
    You would take Tim Hardaway Jr. over Burke AND Oladipo? That's hilarious.

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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

    If Oladipo's shot continues to go in like it has this season, then I would guess he will atleast be a good corner three shooter in the NBA. I think he will be able to contribute offensively in the NBA if he comes off the bench and is only the second or third option then.

    The biggest thing Oladipo has going for him coming into the draft will be his love of defense and general improvement through college. Unless he scores 18+ for the rest of the season and also gets B1G DPoY then I don't see him going in the top 5 or top 10. It would also help if IU makes atleast the final four.

    The last thing that will have a big impact on his draft status is his combine measurements for sure. I think he'll come out slightly taller than 6'4 with a wingspan of about 6'8 or 6'10
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    He's from Indiana. Of course.

    ;-) cdash.
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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

    I would take Victor mainly for his D. Burke's D looked really suspect against both IU and OSU.

    Oladipo showed today against OSU why he is an NBA player. He put the ball in from everywhere on the court. Hit 3s around screens, pull up jumpers, slashing to the hole, calling his offensive game limited anymore simply isn't true. In fact, it shows that your probably haven't watched much of him this season. Oladipo is shooting 65% from the floor, now either everyone else on IU is just that good and he is getting that many easy looks or there is certainly something he is doing right offensively. Compares his %'s to guys like Hardaway, Burke, Russ Smith and other "elite" guards. Heck, Vic even wipes the floor with McLemore's %'s.

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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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    Based on nbadraft.net and their current mock draft, players I would take that fall after the Pacers pick over Burke and Oladipo are:

    Doug McDermott
    Tim Hardaway Jr
    CJ Leslie
    Lorenzo Brown
    Patric Young

    I like Gorgui Dieng, but we don't really need a Center. Lucas Nogueira interests me as well, I don't know much about him - however we could just develop him in the NBDL for a few years or keep him overseas. Seems very athletic for a big guy, if we give him a good coach, could turn out to be a steal.
    You are nuts if you would take any of those guys over Vic. Doug McDermott is so flawed anyone suggesting taking him over Vic needs to reassess the situation.


    I agree with Shags and I said as much last week when it's all said and done Victor will likely be a fringe 5 top guy. I know I like him a hell of a lot more than Dion Waiters and other guys who have quick risen the last few years.


    But coming from the guy who was obsessed with Kendall Marshall as a NBA player not so surprising.

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    But coming from the guy who was obsessed with Kendall Marshall as a NBA player not so surprising.
    Well, to start - I openly admitted that I haven't seen Vic play as much as I have the guys listed, and that I could be wrong. But troll away...

    Secondly, I said he would be a solid backup. I hardly see that as being obsessed. I love Kendall Marshall, still think he is one of the best passers in the NBA.

    He has actually gotten time with the new coach - over the last 4 games(where he has gotten at least 19 minutes) he has shot 7-16, 4-9 from 3 point land, 12 assists, and 4 turnovers. Obviously not great, but for a guy getting his first meaningful minutes in his NBA career, those numbers aren't bad.

    I'd say he is a lot closer to being a good backup PG than Will Barton is to averaging 20 ppg...

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    Well, to start - I openly admitted that I haven't seen Vic play as much as I have the guys listed, and that I could be wrong. But troll away...

    Secondly, I said he would be a solid backup. I hardly see that as being obsessed. I love Kendall Marshall, still think he is one of the best passers in the NBA.

    He has actually gotten time with the new coach - over the last 4 games(where he has gotten at least 19 minutes) he has shot 7-16, 4-9 from 3 point land, 12 assists, and 4 turnovers. Obviously not great, but for a guy getting his first meaningful minutes in his NBA career, those numbers aren't bad.

    I'd say he is a lot closer to being a good backup PG than Will Barton is to averaging 20 ppg...


    Yeah, I still haven't jumped off the Kendall Marshall bandwagon. I liked him too and still think he can be a decent pro.

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    Default Re: Who to draft? Burke or Oladipo?

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    But coming from the guy who was obsessed with Kendall Marshall as a NBA player not so surprising.
    I will say, comments like that are beneath you. At least I thought so.

    Whatever though, I really used to love this board. Lately it has become like every other sports forum though where you can't have a regular debate without someone trying to make you feel like a jackass.

    EDIT: To be clear, I can be guilty of it too when someone refuses to have a logical discussion about something. I've been openly saying that I probably just need to watch him more.
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    If Oladipo's shot continues to go in like it has this season, then I would guess he will atleast be a good corner three shooter in the NBA. I think he will be able to contribute offensively in the NBA if he comes off the bench and is only the second or third option then.
    Well, yes, but there has been literally (and I mean literally) one player in the history of the NBA who has shot the 3 at a clip that Oladipo is shooting it at, for an entire season. So odds are against it.

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