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  • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

    If you think benching Roy Hibbert will help, then I doubt you have been following his career.
    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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      Not advocating him to be benched but the Satan has long gone.
      Never forget

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      • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        You want to bench him when he is playing great defense because he is a point short of his career average per game? This is silly.... ...
        Playing great defense is the only thing he is doing well, besides missing shots. What is silly is that you point to his career ppg average instead of his ppg avg from last season. Which he is averaging 3 less ppg (and the lowest percentage of his career by far)... He is also getting to the line 1.5 times less per game and shooting at the lowest percentage of his career (since his rookie season)when he gets there.

        I appreciate Big Guy for the positive attention he brings us off the court. But, I don't appreciate when it may have a negative impact on the team. Going to Gagnam Style practice after basketball practice every evening in the preseason was unnecessary. Maybe thats not fair, but its reality and if you are going to go there, you better not be missing bunnies.

        He got a mini-max deal from us, I expect better than benefitting from an off-season rule of emphasis that rewards you for being the tree that you were born to be. Glad we finally figured out how to use that rule to his advantage. (It only took 4 years) It happens to be the only area he has improved in.

        I think he is still important for our growth as a team, but he's got to live up to that paycheck. But, I don't have a problem with people suggesting that we should look to move him, either...

        After you have been given a mini-max contract, we expect that you will infact, be working harder to earn that money and not apparently, getting worse.
        Last edited by *astrisk*; 02-13-2013, 10:59 AM.

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        • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

          As long as the defense is there, limiting his minutes is a mistake. You simply stop giving him so many touches in the post while maintaining his minutes.

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          • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            I think Bird would have re-signed Hibbert. I think about any GM would have.
            I've read the rumor that Bird didn't want to resign Hibbert. And I've also read he wanted both Nene and West. I think he had a master plan in place.

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              Originally posted by imawhat View Post
              I've read the rumor that Bird didn't want to resign Hibbert. And I've also read he wanted both Nene and West. I think he had a master plan in place.
              Yeah, I remember thinking "Ridiculous Nene got $65M over 5 years" followed by Roy getting about a $2M/year increase on that. Man. Nene is shooting 50%, scoring 13 and grabbing 7. Biggest issue with him is injuries...followed by his rather poor defense in the post.

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              • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                As long as the defense is there, limiting his minutes is a mistake. You simply stop giving him so many touches in the post while maintaining his minutes.
                It's funny because there was a game maybe 3-4 weeks ago where Ian came in and his defense was so bad that I found myself very anxious to get Roy back on the floor. Normally Roy's offense is so bad that you think "well we can live with Ian for a bit and it's not so bad", but on that night it was painful.

                Ian just isn't getting the same scrutiny due to his salary, but he's far less consistent than Roy. Ian's version of Roy's missed shots at the rim is his inability to hold onto the basketball. It's easy as big a problem as Roy's shooting touch.

                Ian will lose the ball OOB, or have it get tipped around or stolen, or just fumble it enough that he has to kick it out and restart the set. And I'm saying this as a big fan of Ian. I want him to be better just like I want Roy to be better. I want them to have success because they seem like nice players and the kind of guys you want to represent the Pacers.

                But this delusion that Ian is doing as much as Roy is just bad blood over his salary.



                It sucks that Roy is struggling and something needs to get fixed, but how and what seems to me to be a very grey area. I don't think it's a simple answer.

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                • Re: Official Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  That's not what literally means.
                  http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally
                  "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

                  "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                  "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                  • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                    I have no complaints about Roy and Ian. I'm just happy we don't have Troy Murphy, Solomon Jones and Lou Amundson patrolling the lane anymore. We are around .600 folks. Enjoy it!

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                    • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                      We have seen numerous times that benching a player can possibly jump start his game. A recent example would be DJ Augustine. Though its not like DJ has been lighting it up lately, at least he hits open threes and doesn't commit silly turnovers. When a coach benches a player, it sends the message that the player is not trying hard enough. This is not the case with hibbert. Hibbert cares about his play. He really wants to improve his shooting percentage. I heard someone say that right before Christmas pacers had a day off, hibbert called frank Vogel and asked if an assistant coach could go to the fieldhouse and practice his hook shots with him. Frank didn't want to disturb the other coaches family time so he went himself.
                      Yes I do want to bang my head on the table when Hibbert misses point blank put backs. But he's really defending at a high level and trying on offense. A lot of people are upset because with that massive salary we expect better offensive production. While I too am pretty upset with Hibbert so far this season, I'd like to see how he plays when Danny comes back. With PG's improvement, if Danny could play at 80% the level he was at last year and Hibbert regain last year's efficiency we'd be golden.

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                      • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                        Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
                        Yeah, I remember thinking "Ridiculous Nene got $65M over 5 years" followed by Roy getting about a $2M/year increase on that. Man. Nene is shooting 50%, scoring 13 and grabbing 7. Biggest issue with him is injuries...followed by his rather poor defense in the post.
                        This is how idiocy gets around the world, Nene makes a flat 13 over 5 years, Roy makes 13.5 this year and has 650k increases per year, only the last year does he make 2 million more than Nene, who already has been traded, and played about how many games last season again?? oh right he was injured most of the time, and this year?

                        No defense and number lower than Roy except for scoring, I am sure justify the slightly larger amount Roy makes.
                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                        • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                          The price we pay for having Roy block a lot of shots, and sometimes getting the benefit of the doubt on foul calls, means he does not get anywhere near the foul calls he should be getting, there is no way on this earth with 2 or 3 people on his back going up he is not being hit at most places of his body, yet no calls come.

                          Go back and look at a lot of them, and you will see he gets fouled almost every time he gets up, not to mention when "fighting" for position, the 2 hands rule or extended arm rule seems to be less important when defending Roy.

                          On top of all that, can you all please stop mirroring your own failure to procure such a job/career on Roy?

                          Please remember there are players worth a lot less making a lot more, like Arenas 20 mio Amare 20 mio (how many games he played?) Brand 18 mio Rudy Gay 16.5 mio Bynum 16.5 mio (not in a hurry to cvome back is he) Randolph 16.5 mio Jefferson 15 mio Rashard Lewis 15 mio, Boozer 15 mio

                          Yeah I am sure they are all better than Roy, in YOUR opinion, that's where we differ, so leave it at that.
                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                          • Re: Another Trade Roy Hibbert Thread

                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            This is how idiocy gets around the world, Nene makes a flat 13 over 5 years, Roy makes 13.5 this year and has 650k increases per year, only the last year does he make 2 million more than Nene, who already has been traded, and played about how many games last season again?? oh right he was injured most of the time, and this year?

                            No defense and number lower than Roy except for scoring, I am sure justify the slightly larger amount Roy makes.
                            Sorry for the "idiocy" of saying Roy received a contract of $2M/year more than Nene. Actually, it was $1.59M/year more, so again, SO sorry about that extra $.41M I missed.

                            I wasn't saying Roy isn't worth it, I was saying that I remembered being stunned with how much Nene got, then Roy got more. So maybe calm down a little.

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