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    The Case of The Reluctant Point Guard
    by Mark Montieth | askmontieth@gmail.com


    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/georg...nt-point-guard

    Pretty interesting read on the guard positions in our offense being interchangeable. I figure the site could use the page hits so I won't paste the whole article.
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    I am more than satisfied with Hill this season. IMO the only times he's really struggled is when he's been injured and tried to play through it. But then I don't have Chris Paul type expectations for Hill either.

    The discription, "He's good in all areas, and great or weak in no areas" is a good way to describe his game. (I do wonder about the grammar Montieth used though). Shouldn't it be, "He's good in all areas, but neither great nor weak in any areas"
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    Are we winning more than losing? Yes.

    Are we getting consistently torched by opposing points? No.

    I am happy with Hill

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    If there is one starting position where upgrade needs to be considered, it is PG.

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    If there is one starting position where upgrade needs to be considered, it is PG.
    Sure in a perfect world you might have a point. But in the luxury tax era, it is not realistic to get a better option than Hill for the same or less money. Plus with Lance and PG improving so much, I think Hill is good enough.

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    George Hill is a pro. 15 and 5 plus a good shooting stroke from 3 doesn't grow on trees ladies and gentlemen.

    I (along with Mattie and Vnzla) have explained numerous times--"true" PG's are rare in today's NBA. Most lead guards are looking to score first and foremost. It's just the way of the league.

    But when you look at history, plenty of teams were led by an unconventional lead guard, as opposed to the conventional, pass first "true" PG. I believe Hill's game is in the same type of category for the typical lead guard that you would find on a lot of championship teams. Examples: Dennis Johnson, Chauncey Billups, Jason Terry, Derek Fisher, Steve Smith, Ron Harper, etc-- all guys who knew their role, and could knock down big shots when necessary. I see GH in this mold as opposed to the true pg that many clamor for.
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    That's been my problem with Hill for awhile now... people think he's "good enough".

    However fanciful it may seem, I have elite ambitions for this team.

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    I'm happy with Hill(some of you should take notes of this by the way), I think he is the right point guard for this team, no complaints.

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    That's been my problem with Hill for awhile now... people think he's "good enough".

    However fanciful it may seem, I have elite ambitions for this team.
    Can you name 5 elite PG's that have won the championship in the past...20 years?

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    That's been my problem with Hill for awhile now... people think he's "good enough".

    However fanciful it may seem, I have elite ambitions for this team.

    Sure, lets put together a team of
    Chris Paul
    Paul George
    Lebron James
    Durant
    Dwight Howard

    afterall I have even more elite ambitions for this team. I don't just want to win the championship I want to win around 80 games every season. Lets do it. Oh wait, maybe the salary cap isn't $180 m per team.


    Obviously I am being absurd, (you are not, just wrong IMO) but if you want a better player than Hill, OK, where do you want to take some salary from in order to obtain such a player.

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    I've been happy with Hill. He isn't asked to do much due to the design of the offense. He could probably have more assists in another offensive scheme. His defense isn't quite as good as I was led to believe, but he's still pretty good.

    No complaints. Would just like to see a better offense set up.
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    Sure, lets put together a team of
    Chris Paul
    Paul George
    Lebron James
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    Dwight Howard

    afterall I have even more elite ambitions for this team. I don't just want to win the championship I want to win around 80 games every season. Lets do it. Oh wait, maybe the salary cap isn't $180 m per team.


    Obviously I am being absurd, (you are not, just wrong IMO) but if you want a better player than Hill, OK, where do you want to take some salary from in order to obtain such a player.
    Come on UB now you are making it sound like is impossible to upgrade Hill, if that's what he believes why not try to respect that? I feel the same way with other positions on the team.

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    Come on UB now you are making it sound like is impossible to upgrade Hill, if that's what he believes why not try to respect that? I feel the same way with other positions on the team.
    All UB is saying is how do you do it? How do you get a better PG than Hill without giving up one of the starters you don't want to upgrade?

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    I am more than satisfied with Hill this season. IMO the only times he's really struggled is when he's been injured and tried to play through it. But then I don't have Chris Paul type expectations for Hill either.

    The discription, "He's good in all areas, and great or weak in no areas" is a good way to describe his game. (I do wonder about the grammar Montieth used though). Shouldn't it be, "He's good in all areas, but neither great nor weak in any areas"
    Hill struggles most with extremely quick PGs defensively, but recovers very well due to his length. I love Hill's fit on this team.

    I actually think it is this:

    "He's good in all areas, but neither great or weak in any areas"
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    All UB is saying is how do you do it? How do you get a better PG than Hill without giving up one of the starters you don't want to upgrade?
    I don't know, ask the guy, I could come up with different examples but like I said before I'm happy with Hill.

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    I don't know, ask the guy, I could come up with different examples but like I said before I'm happy with Hill.
    UB was asking the guy lol

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    I believe Hill's game is in the same type of category for the typical lead guard that you would find on a lot of championship teams. Examples: Dennis Johnson, Chauncey Billups, Jason Terry, Derek Fisher, Steve Smith, Ron Harper, etc-- all guys who knew their role, and could knock down big shots when necessary. I see GH in this mold as opposed to the true pg that many clamor for.
    The difference between hill and most of those guys is they at least had the court vision/passing ability to make a pass when they needed to. Hill constantly doesn't see open guys or forces passes that aren't there. A lot more forces recently.

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    UB was asking the guy lol
    By using a "superteam" example? that was not a question, he made it sound like upgrading Hill was as impossible as getting all those superstars together.

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    Good read, thanks!
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    By using a "superteam" example? that was not a question, he made it sound like upgrading Hill was as impossible as getting all those superstars together.
    Did you read his last line?

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    Obviously I am being absurd, (you are not, just wrong IMO) but if you want a better player than Hill, OK, where do you want to take some salary from in order to obtain such a player.

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    I am more than satisfied with Hill this season. IMO the only times he's really struggled is when he's been injured and tried to play through it. But then I don't have Chris Paul type expectations for Hill either.

    The discription, "He's good in all areas, and great or weak in no areas" is a good way to describe his game. (I do wonder about the grammar Montieth used though). Shouldn't it be, "He's good in all areas, but neither great nor weak in any areas"
    He is just trying to speak the language of his constituents.

    I think George is great in a few areas and good in a lot. That runner/floater he has is top notch. I think he is a great defender too.

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    Hill is who he is. An average starting point guard. Good spot up shooter, decent defender, average playmaker/passer. His style of play fits well next to ball-dominant players (Lebron, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Iggy, Wade... guys that help run the offense without being point guards).

    Is he the perfect fit for us right now? No, but at least he's not disappointing. Paul is also showing signs that he could develop into the "Give me the ball and I'll do something" type of player which means that if he actually develops that ability then Hill would be great next to him
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    Did you read his last line?
    Yes I did, I'm done with this conversation by the way lets enjoy that we have Hill.

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    Hill has been a 15, 5, and 5 guy all season except for the stretch when he was injured. He is a pretty good value at 8 million a year if he keeps doing that and continues to provide good defensive initiation for our system (funneling everyone to our whirling dirvish of death paint defense).

    As long as he is doing those things, it's tough to think of very many guys that are clear upgrade from a talent to value stand point, that are also realistically obtainable.

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    Yes I did, I'm done with this conversation by the way lets enjoy that we have Hill.
    I think you and I agree on Hill, I was just trying to say I thought UB had asked a direct question, not just made a ridiculous comment.

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