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    Oladipo's a great prospect, but dude, c'mon. Gordon just a few years ago was multiple tiers above him. Then there's that Zeke dude. And Kirk Haston!
    How about Jeffers, Henderson and many others..... ...

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    If they do, I will quit watching them completely. I don't want any of IU's garbage around the team..... ...
    I'm willing to trade Paul George to move up to the number 1 pick.

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    SG is the one position the Pacers are set at with Lance and OJ.

    Marcus Smart is the guy I really want, but he'll likely be a top 5-10 pick.
    I like OJ, but I would choose Oladipo over him every day. If we had a chance to take Oladipo I say you take him, unless there is a PF available with equal potential, which is highly unlikely. A general rule for drafting, if there is a player who is head and shoulders above everyone else at your draft position you take him no matter their position, with few exceptions. Only draft for need when there is someone at that position who is relatively close in skill to the best player available at that position.

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    I'm willing to trade Paul George to move up to the number 1 pick.
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    Mile Plumlee was not BPA.
    Unfortunately in their eyes he was BPA..

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    I like OJ, but I would choose Oladipo over him every day. If we had a chance to take Oladipo I say you take him, unless there is a PF available with equal potential, which is highly unlikely. A general rule for drafting, if there is a player who is head and shoulders above everyone else at your draft position you take him no matter their position, with few exceptions. Only draft for need when there is someone at that position who is relatively close in skill to the best player available at that position.
    I like the "role player" potential that OJ brings, but if we had Oladipo we would easily have the longest and one of the most athletic guard/swingman rotation in the league between Paul, Victor, Lance and sometimes Hill. Opposing teams guards would HATE to play us. Hell they hate to play us now lol.

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    image.jpgthis would look good in blue and gold

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    George McGinnis? Walt Bellamy? The Van Arsdales?

    Who's not considering IU's history again?
    I wasn't trying to list every NBA player IU's ever had...

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    And yet we're fighting for the top spot in the East with those two guys on the starting unit. To what do you attribute our strong play this year? Dumb luck?
    Everyone has contributed at times but Hibbert and Hill are nothing more than role players. They are not star players or produce at a star level. I understood the thread meant that they could join George as a star player soon. Stars are not big liabilities at times like Roy. I know everyone likes Roy and I do too, but lets be real.

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    Everyone has contributed at times but Hibbert and Hill are nothing more than role players. They are not star players or produce at a star level. I understood the thread meant that they could join George as a star player soon. Stars are not big liabilities at times like Roy. I know everyone likes Roy and I do too, but lets be real.
    Not to get off topic, but outside of the "superteams" of the world that has a desirable location, and an owner with money to burn, who has a "star" player at virtually every position? EVERY team NEEDS role players within their starting lineup who knows their role, and executes those roles. I feel that George and Roy (defensively speaking) do that quite well.

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    I wasn't trying to list every NBA player IU's ever had...
    Well, they've had two #1 overall picks - Bellamy and Benson.

    McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

    Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

    Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

    Eric Gordon was #7, right?

    Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

    Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

    Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

    I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

    Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?




    * Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!
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    full list of NBA players from IU: http://www.databasebasketball.com/pl...ana+University

    Hall-of-Famers: Bellamy, Thomas
    MVP: McGinnis (both ABA and NBA)
    perennial all-star players: Dick and Tom Van Arsdale, Eric Gordon
    long-time very solid NBA players: Woodson, Buckner, May, Benson, Henderson, Cheaney, Wittman

    players some have falsely alleged to be NBA busts here:
    Alan Henderson- picked 16th, probably had the 7th or 8th best career of anyone in that draft, played 12 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NBA_Draft
    Calbert Cheaney- picked 6th, probably about the 8th best career in that draft, valued nearly right, played 13 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Draft

    I can accept Benson and May being considered busts due to their draft position, despite their long careers, but others like Bailey, Haston, Alford, etc. were drafted low or in weak drafts anyway where there weren't many better alternatives when they were actually drafted. There might have been local hype to draft them, but on a national level they were in general not so well-regarded and played neither much worse nor much better than their draft selection slot would have indicated.

    As for Victor, he would be a great "get" in the low lottery for his athleticism and work ethic, and a vastly improved shot. His mechanics are good so I see no reason for him to lose an ability to shoot in the NBA. If anything, better competition brings out his best performances.
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    Mile Plumlee was not BPA.


    I'm not disagreeing about Chumlee, but would you care to elaborate as to who who think was a better BPA at the #26 pick? The only 4 1sts drafted after Chumlee were

    Moultrie
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    M Teague
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    I'm not disagreeing about Chumlee, but would you care to elaborate as to who who think was a better BPA at the #26 pick? The only 4 1sts drafted after Chumlee were

    Moultrie
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    M Teague
    Festus Ezeli
    I had about 30 guys ranked ahead of Plumlee when we picked so take your pick..

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    Well, they've had two #1 overall picks - Bellamy and Benson.

    McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

    Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

    Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

    Eric Gordon was #7, right?

    Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

    Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

    Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

    I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

    Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?




    * Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!
    Stop getting defensive Hoosiers. I mentioned a couple guys who were clearly better prospects than Oladipo (other than Haston, that was a joke), not some all inclusive list.

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    Well, they've had two #1 overall picks - Bellamy and Benson.

    McGinnis would've been a third, but with the goofy underclassman rules and funny "regional" drafts that the ABA would concoct, he wasn't part of a regular draft process.

    Scott May, Archie Dees and Isiah were each #2 overall picks.

    Cheaney was a #6 pick, Buckner #7 overall. Bobby Wilkerson was #11 on the coattails of going 63-1 over two seasons.

    Eric Gordon was #7, right?

    Tom and Dick were both second-round picks. (FN*)

    Bob Leonard was a second-round pick as well, #10 overall.

    Jeffries was #11 (that wasn't a good idea, was it?)

    I think that's the universe of top-12 picks.

    Except that Landon Turner certainly would've been top-12. Have any other paralyzed players ever been drafted by an NBA team? Or is Landon the only one?




    * Footnote. With only eight teams in the league, Dick was the #10 overall pick and Tom was the #11 pick overall. Also, in the fourth round (pick #24) -- or as we call it today, "late first round" -- from the same IU team was Jon McGlocklin. That was the same draft as future HoF'ers: Goodrich, Bradley, Barry, Sloan and Cunningham. Wowzers!!
    Landon Turner was actually drafted by the Boston Celtics...... ...

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    Stop getting defensive Hoosiers. I mentioned a couple guys who were clearly better prospects than Oladipo (other than Haston, that was a joke), not some all inclusive list.
    Dude, no one was being defensive with you.

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    I had about 30 guys ranked ahead of Plumlee when we picked so take your pick..

    You probably did, but I'm interested in who grapher-ic feels was better.

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    I don't know if anybody was getting defensive but as a Hoosier fan it was highly entertaining to me. Fun facts are fun.
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    Victor is a bit small for my liking at the 2 spot, but he does play good D and he is pretty darn good on the offense. I like his style of play. I want to see more before making a decision on anything of him being a Pacers. I do know this, I had no interest in him last season.
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    Victor is a bit small for my liking at the 2 spot, but he does play good D and he is pretty darn good on the offense. I like his style of play. I want to see more before making a decision on anything of him being a Pacers. I do know this, I had no interest in him last season.
    He's 6'5 with an above average wingspan. In today's NBA, that's plenty of size.

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    If you want our team defense to collapse like a pile of pick up sticks then sure.
    Are you kidding? Burke is a great defender and way quicker than Oladipo
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    Are you kidding? Burke is a great defender and way quicker than Oladipo
    Burke is not a great defender, and with the ball in his hands he's "way quicker" than Oladipo, but not on the defensive end.

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    Are you kidding? Burke is a great defender and way quicker than Oladipo
    Do you think Burke is better on defense than Oladipo? I just want to see exactly what we're dealing with here.

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    Do you think Burke is better on defense than Oladipo? I just want to see exactly what we're dealing with here.
    I'm not sure. I haven't seen enough of Oladipo. Burke is better offensively by far and quicker. We don't need a swingman anyways
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