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Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

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  • #91
    Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

    Originally posted by dohman View Post
    yes we did give him 58 million to be a defensive specialist, and so far it's working in our favor.
    Ha no. Roy got that contract because what he did on both ends of the court last year. He was very effective in the post on offense. Roy's biggest strength has been his defense and was key in him gaining that contract. But it wasn't the sole reason he got it. He was 10 times the offensive player last year than what he is this year.

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    • #92
      Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

      Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
      The thing is, Roy is missing the easy shots too. He is missing absolute gimmies. And thats my biggest gripe with him. He needs to finish with a dunk. He needs to hit his lay ups. We don't ask Roy to generate offense off the post anymore either. We just go through West when we want that now.

      And right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post and ask him to generate offense. Right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post at all. PG and Lance found that out tonight.
      Well then it's a good thing David West, Paul George, Lance Stephenson, George Hill, and soon Danny Granger are all capable scorers. As long as we have 2 of George/Granger/West we can have enough offense to win provided Hibbert continues to do his job on the defensive end.
      Time for a new sig.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
        We still ask Roy to generate offense off the post. We just do it less. And that's a good adjustment. But we still go to him in the post 4-5 times a game.

        I'd like Roy to dunk more of its close shots but I cannot ignore that those shots are heavily contested more often than not.
        Ok, 4-5 times a game... But we don't rely on him to do it at all. All I want is him to hit the easy buckets. Yeah he's getting hit on them, but guess what? So does every other big man. Thats why he's 7'2". He's gotta hit the easy shots.

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        • #94
          Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

          Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
          Well then it's a good thing David West, Paul George, Lance Stephenson, George Hill, and soon Danny Granger are all capable scorers. As long as we have 2 of George/Granger/West we can have enough offense to win provided Hibbert continues to do his job on the defensive end.
          I agree, but that isn't an excuse for him to miss easy put backs and shots within 5 feet, which is pretty much every shot he takes right now.

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

            Originally posted by Steagles View Post
            Just wanted to say, I made my shirt for tonight's game, and wore it down to warm-ups and stood on the Bulls end while Derrick Rose shot around. He glanced over and gave me a dirty look. My week was made when he acknowledged that he didn't like my shirt.




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            I would have given you a dirty look if I was him too. That's pretty cold man.


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            • #96
              Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

              What I know is that despite a miserable start to the season we are 10 games over .500 and are riding around at a .600 winning percentage. Hibbert is having a miserable offensive year, but we're still winning. There's two things that can happen. Either Hibbert gets better offensively or he doesn't.

              If he doesn't, his role on offense continues to shrink. His FG% may stay the same, but since basically all of his FGAs will be shots directly off of passes or on putbacks it won't really affect our offense much.

              If he does get better, we get to find soemthing else to talk about lol.
              Time for a new sig.

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                Ok, 4-5 times a game... But we don't rely on him to do it at all. All I want is him to hit the easy buckets. Yeah he's getting hit on them, but guess what? So does every other big man. Thats why he's 7'2". He's gotta hit the easy shots.
                The difference is that the players you're comparing him to (Chandler, Mutombo) are much more athletic and stronger than Roy.

                I've said it again. Roy's base seems weaker this season since Roy decided to put on weight in his upper body in order to not be pushed off the block and absorb contact better in the defensive end.

                Roy will have to work on his base next off-season. If he had a strong base, he would be able to retain his balance much better and finish through contact. The rest being healed is going to help as well.

                That's my opinion at least.
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                  Bulls fans tonight are talking about how they played with half a team and were in the game. I think they have a point, but it's a division rival, in a game for the division lead. And, Thibs has to be Coach of the Year.

                  The discussion has turned to Roy, so I'll say something really quick on that. His offense sucks this year and something needs done to correct it. Big-man coach or extra practice on the hook shot, or slap him before every game so he can dunk it like he's 7'2". Something. His defense is tremendous, and I can still tell how much different this team is without him on the court. But if he could just score with any regularity, man we'd be impossible to beat.

                  But, tonight's game was all about excitement.

                  DWest brought it like he always brings it. But what was awesome for me was to see the fire from Lance and PaulStar, and even Psycho T tonight! The Fieldhouse was rocking, and the Pacers finally gave them a show worth cheering for. Friday's Miami game was a great win, but tonight's highlight fest was a lot of fun. As sad as it is, we really need a handful of the kind of plays Paul, Lance, and George were making in every game to attract the attention of the casual fan.

                  Plus, how awesome is it to see those three guys (Paul, Lance, Hill), who we've watched develop, mature, and improve make these kinds of plays? For the patience to pay off? The risk? I love it.

                  Final note tonight: When Rose returns to Chicago and Danny returns to the Pacers, both teams will be good enough to beat Miami in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind.
                  It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                    Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
                    Cool you made a shirt, but making fun of his torn acl is not really something I approve of.
                    We're all different. Although Derrick Rose tore his ACL, it's not like he will never walk again. He'll still be a better athlete than any one of us. And oh yeah, he is making 16 million dollars this year not to mention his 200 million dollar shoe deal.

                    I think he'll be alright.
                    DG for 3

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                    • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                      Would love the forum's thoughts on Beleneli. How much of his outburst are we blaming on Lance? It feels like he was hitting from everywhere, but I haven't seen enough of him to know if those are shots he normally hits.
                      When Lance wasn't able to get around screens, he was able to hit the open shot. When Lance was able to get around the screen and not give Bellineli an open look......he didn't hit the shot.

                      Although you have to wonder why Vogel didn't give Lance some rest and put Young on Bellineli or switch Young over to Deng and PG on Bellineli.

                      Overall though...I think it was an anomaly when it comes to Bellineli's shooting....he was hitting the majority of the shots that he was taking. Sometimes when your hot...your hot....nothing that Lance could have done would have made a difference.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                        Originally posted by ColeTheMole View Post
                        We're all different. Although Derrick Rose tore his ACL, it's not like he will never walk again. He'll still be a better athlete than any one of us. And oh yeah, he is making 16 million dollars this year not to mention his 200 million dollar shoe deal.

                        I think he'll be alright.
                        As someone who has tore all but one ligament in his knee, I can sympathize with anyone other that has gone through the same. It's tough. Not being able to walk for over a month is like a cage. Let's not even mention the fear of aggravating.

                        Ligament tears just suck. Especially ACLs
                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                          Roy's problem has to be mental, it's not the wrist on his hook shot. He's missing two hand bunny putbacks, he scooped into some crazy layup on a drive instead of dunking, he maybe a lazy slap putback attempt after PG24 missed his near awesome dunk. This is well beyond having trouble in the post. He's only getting 4-5 chances to post-score at this point.

                          His problem is that he looks like he has no confidence or comfort on the offensive end, and he's also getting beat up on challenged loose balls/rebounds.

                          You can't cite effort because he does hustle. You would have to assume he's killing it with practice and taking shot reps.

                          He's a smart kid and it might be that he was overthinking it and that's led to a 2nd level of confidence second-guessing and worries.





                          I'm considering changing/adding "30Rock" to "BAMF" due to his knack for 30 point outings this year. I was so annoyed that they kept moving the ball away from him during the foul game late while he sat on 29. Come on man!



                          I Tweeted this but if you didn't see, Marco Belinelli has NOT HIT NINE SHOTS THIS FREAKING YEAR. He had not shot at a 69% FG rate when taking at least 5 shots this year. So you just saw Marco Belinelli have BY FAR his best game of the season. The dude just went 1-8 vs Atlanta.

                          And while Lance can have troubles on defense, Sam Young knows what the F he's doing and both he and I think West a couple times close out Marco to within inches of his shooting hand and he was still nothing but net. If Nate and Marco aren't just insanely lights out tonight then the game is a 20 point blow out.


                          And the whole 3 starters out thing looks dumb when you consider that Boozer was the main problem, and you couldn't expect Noah to give you any more than Taj did in terms of boards/points. If you played Noah in place of Taj it's unlikely that Roy would have shot worse, Noah would have rebounded more than 2-3 more boards than Taj, or that Noah would have scored more points than Taj did.

                          Credit Thibs and the bench Bulls for stepping up, but the idea that if only Noah was playing it would have been a lot different, I disagree. Heck, if Rose plays then he 100% does not shoot better than the Nate/Marco combo but he does take a bunch of shots away from both of them.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                            Man people really do sell Hibbert short. No one is harder on Hibbs than himself, His defense is the heart of this team. Paul

                            is the soul. Have you noticed that the games we win, No one bashes Hibbert? But the games we lose! His head is demanded on a spike

                            prior to sunrise. Hibbert's lenght and high IQ effects. We were eating up Chi's Pick N Roll, This is Indiana's greatest flaw on defense.

                            We can't defend the PnR game to save our life. We did well tonight. Also, People Hibbert is a huge reason why we are enjoying our somewhat

                            success. It was the trade for Hibbert that set sail on this boat. I wish he wasn't being payed the Max, But you can't do anything about it.

                            Hibbert's size prevents the best players in the world from beating the crap out of us inside. LeBron was living in the paint in the playoffs last year,

                            Wade set up camp right next to him. We don't need Hibberts offense. It's his defense that's ultra important to us.

                            Defensive win share:
                            1. Joakim Noah-CHI 3.7
                            2. Paul George-IND 3.6
                            3. Tim Duncan-SAS 3.2
                            4. Marc Gasol-MEM 3.0
                            5. Roy Hibbert-IND 2.9
                            6. David West-IND 2.8

                            Defensive Rating:
                            1. Tim Duncan-SAS 93.4
                            2. Roy Hibbert-IND 96.1
                            3. Larry Sanders-MIL 96.1
                            4. Joakim Noah-CHI 96.2
                            5. Andre Drummond-DET 96.4
                            6. Paul George-IND 96.8

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                            • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              And the whole 3 starters out thing looks dumb when you consider that Boozer was the main problem, and you couldn't expect Noah to give you any more than Taj did in terms of boards/points. If you played Noah in place of Taj it's unlikely that Roy would have shot worse, Noah would have rebounded more than 2-3 more boards than Taj, or that Noah would have scored more points than Taj did.

                              Credit Thibs and the bench Bulls for stepping up, but the idea that if only Noah was playing it would have been a lot different, I disagree. Heck, if Rose plays then he 100% does not shoot better than the Nate/Marco combo but he does take a bunch of shots away from both of them.
                              Plus, teams don't work like anyway. It's not as simple as replacing a guy's production with his replacement's. It changes everything. Offensive sets, defensive assignments, go-to players, etc. There's just way too many variables. The fact that both of these teams scored over 100 points is a testament to the fact that the change in personnel changed the style of play.

                              There were mismatches at 1-2 positions on both ends of the court all night, and since that often involved David West or Hansbrough playing against a wiry SF....it's not surprising Vogel was content letting us ramp up the score.
                              Time for a new sig.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                                Originally posted by rock747 View Post


                                So dirty I had to switch to porn when my mom walked in.

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