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    lol....
    Exactly, thread over please. I seriously do not understand this boards obsession with trading Granger for every other teams ****. We are a contending team in the east, you only do deals that put you over the top until its clear you can't possibly win it all. We haven't even scratched the surface on that.
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    I really don't think Danny is going to be traded till summer when several teams will have cap space. This will give Pacers more options to get exactly what this team needs. Pacers don't need to trade Danny right now. JMO

    I'd like to land John Henson, the dude has great instincts and skills. He would be a perfect backup and replacement to West in acouple more years.
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    i do believe Granger is on the downward end of his career. taking three months to come back from tendonitis. thats an issue. the pacers need to hope they can ride Granger out the remainder of this season, which i believe they will beable to do then "consider" dealing him this offseason. His health does concern me. not so much as others in thata i jump to the extreme and say deal him for anything.

    Granger has 3-4 seasons left of prime years if he is lucky. his game translates well as a sharpshooter, but his D will decline eventually.
    His offense may come down quickly, but I don't see his defense.

    Danny's a good defender because of long arms, unusual strength, and great footwork. The vast majority (probably all of them) of his competitors are quicker than him but they don't beat him off the dribble much because his footwork helps him stay in front of them. (though it does happen of course, he's not elite). Strength for a defender is very important. Whether it is in the post, or an an opponent using his body to gain space off of drives for a shot, the defense must be able to hold their ground. This is why when the offense trys to overpower Granger it rarely works. (See: LBJ driving hard right at Granger in the playoffs straight towards the basket. Every Pacers fan predicted what happened next- Granger blocked the shot. Also see: LBJ posting Granger up in the regular season, quinn before LBJ's shot attempt: "I actually like this matchup for Granger because of his sneaky strenth" LBJ went in hard, attempted an off balance shot and Granger again blocked the shot)

    Now as his speed continues to regress, he won't be able to guard the better (quicker) SF's in the league, but with Paul here, that'll never be a real problem.

    Also, I should note that Granger's lack of speed also keep him from recovering off of screens or rotating to open shooters. So there are weaknesses there, but he's a very solid defender.
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    His offense may come down quickly, but I don't see his defense.

    Danny's a good defender because of long arms, unusual strength, and great footwork. The vast majority (probably all of them) of his competitors are quicker than him but they don't beat him off the dribble much because his footwork helps him stay in front of them. (though it does happen of course, he's not elite). Strength for a defender is very important. Whether it is in the post, or an an opponent using his body to gain space off of drives for a shot, the defense must be able to hold their ground. This is why when the offense trys to overpower Granger it rarely works. (See: LBJ driving hard right at Granger in the playoffs straight towards the basket. Every Pacers fan predicted what happened next- Granger blocked the shot. Also see: LBJ posting Granger up in the regular season, quinn before LBJ's shot attempt: "I actually like this matchup for Granger because of his sneaky strenth" LBJ went in hard, attempted an off balance shot and Granger again blocked the shot)

    Now as his speed continues to regress, he won't be able to guard the better (quicker) SF's in the league, but with Paul here, that'll never be a real problem.

    Also, I should note that Granger's lack of speed also keep him from recovering off of screens or rotating to open shooters. So there are weaknesses there, but he's a very solid defender.
    Ever had severe tendonitis on the knee? All the above is very limited wth the condition. Other than that I completly agree.

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    For what it's worth, here's the clutchfans thread:

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    Ever had severe tendonitis on the knee? All the above is very limited wth the condition. Other than that I completly agree.
    We don't know if it's exactly severe, my friend. We don't know what stage it reached.
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    I thought we were dealing with TendonOSIS. NOT tendonITIS. There is a difference. A very big difference.

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    For what it's worth, here's the clutchfans thread:

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    Royce White has negative trade value. I wouldn't trade Gerald Green for him.
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    I thought we were dealing with TendonOSIS. NOT tendonITIS. There is a difference. A very big difference.
    Jumper's knee (the condition that Granger has) can be called patellar tendinOSIS, patellar tendinITIS and patellar tendinopathy.

    Regarding if there is a difference between tendOnitis and tendInitis take a look at this -> http://ezinearticles.com/?Tendonitis...age&id=2178016
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    i do believe Granger is on the downward end of his career. taking three months to come back from tendonitis. thats an issue.
    If Danny comes back in the next week or so, then he'll hit exactly the projected return schedule that was first posted. He's not taking any longer than normal.
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    Read the first page, skipping the next four.

    If it's not Harden or Lin, I'll pass. And there's no way they give up either of those two.

    Lin, Harden, and Granger would make a good team, though.
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    lets just...keep Granger and see how he does when he returns? I'm all for keeping the dude
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    Jumper's knee (the condition that Granger has) can be called patellar tendinOSIS, patellar tendinITIS and patellar tendinopathy.

    Regarding if there is a difference between tendOnitis and tendInitis take a look at this -> http://ezinearticles.com/?Tendonitis...age&id=2178016
    The difference in the names is pretty semantic. But the difference between the two is that when "tendinosis" is used it indicates a case where longterm abuse has led to a slow damaging of the tendon. When "tendinitis" is used it implies a more direct injury complete with inflammation.

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    Houston has really nobody that can make us better. They aren't trading Asik or Harden and I wouldn't want Lin (over hyped puss). The rest of the bench is major scrubs or rookies that prolly won't amount to to much. Parsons and Patterson is all they have and I'd much rather have Granger and Hans.

    For 1st rnd picks they have their own 2014 and beyond. Any other 1st round picks that they might have had are all gone now since the trades they made.

    Maybe a 3rd team would want some of their scrubs and 2nd round picks, but I don't know who that would be. I sure hope Pacers don't do something stupid on a desperate reaction. Danny is better then anyone on their team outside Harden and Harden is a ballhog and not very discipline.

    I'm not concerned of Danny's knee, it is treatable thru different rest and types of exercise, weight lifting and even types of stretching and yoga. Danny comes back and closes the season out and plays strong in the playoffs, his stock will rise very high for the summer with him expiring next year.

    He should fit right back in with the team with no problem. He will be one hell of a bench player if he ends up doing that role the rest of the season. He would still play with the starter as well. He actually play alot with the bench last year, he was the last starter to come off the floor to get rest.
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    Why in the world would you make a move now, on the cusp of putting together the final piece of a squad that could make a real case for the Finals.

    Next summer, maybe. Next season if things get rocky or some finances just start getting really ugly, okay. But right now with no immediate financial concerns and when you are about to reap the rewards of your patience.

    Maybe let's put VERY PRELIMINARY LONG TERM in front of "exploratory".

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    The difference in the names is pretty semantic. But the difference between the two is that when "tendinosis" is used it indicates a case where longterm abuse has led to a slow damaging of the tendon. When "tendinitis" is used it implies a more direct injury complete with inflammation.
    I see.

    That makes a lot of sense linguistically. -itis indicates an inflammation while -osis indicates a condition. That's exactly how it is in Greek as well. So, thanks for making me look up the etymology of the terms
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    What do you guys think of this trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alypbgn

    Houston gets a third scorer to go with Lin and Harden, and a solid 6th man off the bench in Stephenson. Orlando gets a bunch of young talent (and probably a pick or two). And we get a true point guard and a sharpshooter. Nelson could run point with Hill sliding over to the two (Reddick would come off the bench).

    I think our defense would suffer a bit, but I think our offense would be much better with a Nelson (a guy who can create off the dribble) and Reddick (a tremendous shooter off the bench).

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    What do you guys think of this trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alypbgn

    Houston gets a third scorer to go with Lin and Harden, and a solid 6th man off the bench in Stephenson. Orlando gets a bunch of young talent (and probably a pick or two). And we get a true point guard and a sharpshooter. Nelson could run point with Hill sliding over to the two (Reddick would come off the bench).

    I think our defense would suffer a bit, but I think our offense would be much better with a Nelson (a guy who can create off the dribble) and Reddick (a tremendous shooter off the bench).
    i wouldnt even trade stephenson for those 2 straight up let alone having granger in there, might be a little biased but this trade blows

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    And we get a true point guard
    We don't need a true point guard. I repeat. We do not need a true point guard.

    I'll say it one more time. We. Do. Not. Need. A. True. Point. Guard.

    They don't survive in Vogel's offensive system.
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    You wouldn't trade Stephenson for Reddick and Jameer Nelson!? Stephenson has a PER of 12. Reddick and Nelson are both around 16. I know Nelson can be a bit of a chucker and he has injury concerns, but I think he's still a very solid starting point guard. Meanwhile Reddick has been playing out of his mind of late.

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    What do you guys think of this trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alypbgn

    Houston gets a third scorer to go with Lin and Harden, and a solid 6th man off the bench in Stephenson. Orlando gets a bunch of young talent (and probably a pick or two). And we get a true point guard and a sharpshooter. Nelson could run point with Hill sliding over to the two (Reddick would come off the bench).

    I think our defense would suffer a bit, but I think our offense would be much better with a Nelson (a guy who can create off the dribble) and Reddick (a tremendous shooter off the bench).
    About the same way I feel about this trade:

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    About the same way I feel about this trade:

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