Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
Ok my point is there needs to be more emphasis on winning your division. I would do that by keeping the divisions the same and going to an MLB style playoff. So you have 3 division winners and then 2 wild card teams that have to come from different divisions. This would put more emphasis on the regular season match-ups between the Knicks, Nets and Celtics....or in any division for that matter.
If your goal is to have as many small market teams in the playoffs as possible then I agree the 8 team system is the way to go. I just want more of a reason to watch a Pacers-Bucks game in the middle of the season.
I don't think how many teams make the playoffs is that big of a deal. Could it be cut back to 6, sure, but I think the length of the season puts less prestige on making the playoffs than how many teams make the playoffs.
What I would like to see with the schedule is more emphasis on divisions, and decreasing the length of the first round and maybe the second round.
I don't think anyone should play any team that is not in their division more than twice, while still playing teams within one's division 4 times. I would also like to see a decrease in how many times teams play inter-conference games, but that isn't as high on my list. I think this would do more towards making winning the division a big deal, without using a gimmicky playoff structure.
The playoffs need to be shortened. The first round should not be more than 5 games, maybe it should only be 3 games. More than any other round, this round would benefit from the less is more mentality, in most cases the better team will still win, but occasionally you might actually get an upset of the number 1 or 2 team without an injury being involved. The second round I would be fine with it being either 5 or 7, no strong opinion. Then the final two rounds should stay with 7 as every team at that point should be of high quality, and every game should be exciting.
Last edited by Eleazar; 02-03-2013 at 04:36 PM.
Virtually adding 4 teams to playoffs and giving a second award. Even tho there is 4 teams added the series is reduced, thus keeping same time frame.
Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
There is far too much money involved to cut the playoffs back from the best of 7 we have now. I really liked the 66 game schedule last year, but not the back to back to backs. To watch live, I prefer BB. To watch on TV, I prefer football cause it's longer and you can get better naps. I haven't watched a full NFL game in years.
"we don't support the pacers because we're too good for the morally inferior NBA." ***** Christ...
If you don't want to support the pacer or the NBA in general, that's cool. A lot of people don't. But please spare me the moral platitudes, as if the NFL is a bastion of fairness and free of corruption.
let me simplify it for you. Do you know why the NBA can't keep up with the NFL? They play football and the NBA plays basketball.
Last edited by Kstat; 02-03-2013 at 05:58 PM.
I have to say that I dislike the NBA as a league as well. I enjoy some teams and players, of course, but I can see why several people could be annoyed by the star treatment.
Still, that's not a reason to not support the Pacers. You don't have to love the league that your team plays in. You simply have to love your team.
Personally, I would never start watching the NBA if it wasn't for the Pacers. I'd just try to keep tabs with some of the players I like (Valanciunas, Shved, Baynes etc.) and that would be it.
As a non-american, I am confused as to why football is so loved, it's a very slow paced game, and for me, it seems most of the plays are just run through the middle. I think it's more due to the the games always are usually once a week, and many people can get together and enjoy the time, but as a sport itself I think it is inferior to Basketball and Soccer.
If anything at least it's better than baseball ZzzZzz.
"We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.
It's an embarrassing, masturbatory fantasy.
I don't think there's any question that Indiana fans are more passionate about high school and college hoops than they are NBA hoops. I'm talking in comparision to other states here.
I don't know if it's because we think we know more about basketball or not. I'm not sure what the reason is, but I do believe it is the case.
The rhythm of the NFL is conducive to cultivating a habit. The vast majority of games are on Sunday, at predictable times across the country, that people actually schedule their Sunday activities to include. It is an excuse to get in one more leisure break in during a weekend of "honey-do list" projects, and a weekly reason for friends and families to get together to watch a sport that moves at a slow enough pace with simple enough rules that even casual fans get enjoyment out of it even if scores are not high, as long as the games are close.
Football is also a simple enough game with built in breaks between each play that permit endless replays and analysis from the TV commentators which serves to educate fans about the subtle details they might otherwise miss, where basketball moves way too quickly for any but the most educated color guys to provide accurate analysis during the flow of the game, leaving casual fans to concentrate on highlights and high scores and blocks to determine whether a given game was "good" or entertaining.
Football is also able to be more easily followed by those who partake in alcoholic beverages, again due to its pacing, predictability, and relative simplicity, and use games as a reason to party on a weekly basis in a socially accepted and embraced fashion. It is no accident that beer commercials are a huge portion of the advertising revenue taken in by the NFL.
Until other sports can somehow figure out how to replicate these repetitive and rhythmic cycles which provide repetitive positive reinforcement both during games and over the course of an entire season, I think the NFL will continue to rule the American sports scene.
Last edited by iogyhufi; 02-04-2013 at 12:59 AM.
A couple of things.
1. I am of the opinion that the vast majority of people do not like college basketball, even here in the state of Indiana. No what they like is big time Division 1 high production high skilled nba feeder system. How many people do you think outside of students, alumni & family/friends/significant others will brave the cold February 9th temperature to drive to Greencastle Indiana to watch Depaw take on Oberlin? The next time someone tells you they like college basketball just go ahead and laugh inside knowing that for all of their disdain for the NBA all they really watch is a show not unlike what we watch in the NBA. Take away the big nice arena's some of them have, yes even old arena's at D 1 schools are better than the gyms that the D 3 guys play with, the pep bands, the bright lights of TV, the A list talent who is playing basketball on a scholarship and just make them watch one single D 3 game where a lot of the players are actual student athletes and their heads will explode.
2. The NBA will not change formats when Silver comes into office because the market for the NBA, right or wrong, is not the casual Indiana Hoosier. The foreign market is thriving with Asia being the next brave frontier of marketing and even though the Europeans will vehemently deny it marketing stars in Europe works just as well there as it does here. I've had this debate before with a lot of people and Roaming Gnome gave me a great answer about this, the NBA markets for city's like Birmingham Alabama (as an example) a fairly decent size metro area that will never have an NBA team. Do you think the people of Birmingham care about the team play of the Philadelphia 76ers or LeBron James? If you don't like using Birmingham go to Kansas City or Portland Maine (or anywhere for that matter).
No none of us like it here in Indiana and you can make a real argument that the NBA made a mistake in starting the marketing like that anyway but it is what it is and the genie is out of the bottle.
3. The real complaint, well one of many actually, that I have with the NBA in general is that they have done a very poor job over the years in trying to educate that public on the actual game itself. I know they don't have complete content control of TNT or ESPN or even back when NBC was doing it (which btw was far superior to ABC/ESPN) but maybe every now and then they could have brought in a retired NBA referee or coach or even old star player and have them go over plays with replays from different angles showing how there are actual audibles in basketball on both the defensive and offensive end. You know instead of telling us every week what Jay Z song player A listens to or what kind of ride he has or yes even over some of the helping build a home stuff. The major misconception of the public is that the ball is given to player A he dribbles it till he drives and shoots or passes or loses it for some reason and we go the other way. The NFL has made major advances with women in particular in the 80's and on up by going over each and every play showing diagrams of what should have happened, what did happen and what could have happened.
I guarantee you that a lot of the people in the stands have no idea how a pick and roll works or how valuable a quick wing defender can be or how by moving without the ball led to an open corner three or a layup. I know that during a live game there is no way to show this but the before and after game shows should. Even TNT does a really poor job of this if you think about it. They will show you the drive that Russell Westbrook made for a layup but they won't bother to tell you about the pick Kendrick Perkins set on his defender to give him a clear path.
Okay that's enough of my ravings.
How do we really judge the popularity of a sporting event? I say TV ratings is the best way, because that counts the casual and dei-hard fans. And if you look at TV ratings only, the NCAA tournament and the NBA playoffs arre about even in ratings - although it is difficult to equatre certain games. Not to suggest it is even close in a city like Indianapolis. Take out the Pacers , IU, Butler, Purdue and have two neutral teams play the NCAA is way, way more popular here. But that is not the case in cities LA, NYC, Miami, in a lot of the large more urban cities the NCAA doesn't get good ratings, the NBA does.
Let me say this, if you go by media coverage, office talk about brackets and that sort of stuff, yes it seems like the NCAA is much more popular than the NBA, but TV ratings tell a different story. Seems a though there is a lot more chatter about the NCAA, but when it comes down to national TV ratings for the NCAA it doesn't measure up.
The NFL is on a whole different level - can't compare it to the NBA or NCAA
Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-04-2013 at 09:40 AM.
I agree with you 100%. When I watch the non-game NBA coverage most of the time it is about personailties of the players, trade rumors, why the Lakers are so bad, why certain players cannot get along - very, very little is about the actual game. NBATV and Hubie Brown discuss the actual game, but that is about it. When I watch or listen to non-game NFL coverage it is entirely different, it is about the actual game, X&O's why a certain QB is better than another.
The question is why? I have to believe the viewers want it that way
More than that though winning an NBA title I think is a much more grueling task. It is hard, it is difficult, it is as much about endurance as anything else. That to me makes it a greater accomplishment than an NCAA or NFL.
One other thing I need to mention. I'll just compare the NBA to the NCAA. I love the adjustments from game to game within a playoff series, I love the home and away of an NBA playoff series,(NCAA is all nuetral court, so they take perhaps the best thing about college basketball the home crowds out of the tournament) I love a game 7 after you have already seen 6 games played. The process of playing a team again and again does two things - breeds contempt between the teams and also brings about a much higher level of strategy than the NCAA. I love the adjustments game to game
I love the 7 game series
Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-04-2013 at 10:33 AM.
Peck touched on one thing that I think plays a lot into it. The NFL and the networks they work with go out of their way to educate your average fan on what is going on. They have brought in ex players, coaches, and even ex head of officiating for the NFL to help educate your average fan. The NBA and their partners do not do this at all. This helps to show that the NFL is just far superior to college game. Sure you have a few people who profess college football being better, but there is no denying that the NFL game is far far superior. On the other hand a lot of people feel, especially here in Indiana, that the college game is better. The NBA is the far superior game, but it struggles especially here with showing that because they just do not educate as well as the NFL.
Parity does play into it and when people talk about the NFL having more parity than the NBA they are not talking just about the champions. The NFL every year has a team that comes from no where to make the playoffs and some big name team takes a fall. This year the defending champions did not even make the playoffs and the Colts who went 2-14 last year made the playoffs. Then come playoff time teams can get hot and make a run like the Giants or Ravens this year. The Ravens were not one of the favorites going into this years playoffs. The Pats and Broncos were being penciled into the AFC title game. Yet, here are the Ravens who are now the champs. Stuff like that just does not happen the NBA.
Their format in the playoffs and regular really removes the chance of that happening. They have way to many games and it removes the importance of the games. You go on a three game losing streak like the Pacers did in the NFL and you almost wasted 1/4th of your season. You got to bring your A game every week or you are easily going to lose control of your season. Come playoff time it is win or go home, but in the NBA it is oh well we dropped one, but we will get them tomorrow. That format does ensure better match ups, but the excitement of the underdog goes away as well.
Another thing that makes the NFL so much easier to enjoy is the ability to plan. It is much easier to get together for 16 games on a Sunday which you know the time and what channel. With 82 games you just have way to many games and what might be a big game against the Heat might be the back end of a back to back or falls on a Tuesday night. It is just so much easier to plan get together for the big game especially come playoff time.
If it tells you how much of a monster the NFL is their Pro Bowl had better ratings then the World Series games.
That caught my attention so I looked it up.
Pro bowl got 12.3 million viewers. The average for the WS was 12.7.
Game #1 - 12.2 million viewers
Game #2 - 12.3 Millions viewers
Game #3 - 10.5 million viewers
Game #4 15.5 million viewers
Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-04-2013 at 11:38 AM.