James and Wade played heavy minutes last night. Both were well above their averages.
Overall talent? I don't know. Top two players? OKC by a landslide. All that is really important though is that we just don't seem to match up real well with them. They give us fits.
We aren't good enough yet to make OKC match up with us in our pace of game. We still will attempt to match with them while they probably control the pace. It would take the stars aligning very well for us to beat them in 7 games.
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The bottom line is, we are better than last year and we match up better with the Heat. They will have their hands full beating us this time.
I think you could argue deepest starting 5/best starting five. Particularly if Roy's offense would show up. But Hill/PG/Danny/West/Hibbert...4 of which have been/are All Stars, all of which are above average starters. Usually every team has that one or two guys that Start as role players and are quite limited.
Then you add Lance and Ian...with Tyler, DJ, and Sam getting spot minutes, and we do have a very deep team.
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Continually overrate the Pacers on this board. The Pacers aren't even the most talented team in their own division, that'd be the Bulls.
How dare you overrate the Indiana Pacers on a site dedicated to the Indiana Pacers.
That being said, your probably not wrong. But IMO its wrong to expect a fan site to not highly support or maybe even over support their team.
I rank superstars as LeBron, Wade, Bryant, Duncan, Durrant and used to put Howard & Rose there but we will need to see how they both recover from injury.
What is the high & low for your definition of a star player?
I think they can beat anyone in a series.
No team has improved as much as the Pacers in the last year on a growth standpoint.
Pacers beat OKC last year.
OKC beat Pacers early this year when they where trying to find themselves as a team.
Pacers took the Heat to 6 games.
OKC took the Heat to 5 games.
Pacers has beat the Heat the last 3 season games and held Ray to zero points the last 2 games. And this without our best player.
I think the verdict is still out, but it looks really promising.
We do have 4 All-Stars and none of them are washed up.
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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
A superstar is a player like the ones you mention who can put a team on their backs and use their will to win a big game. A star, in my mind, is a player who is a "go to" player who can make that last shot or make a great defensive stop on a superstar....... Paul Pierce and players of that ilk are what I have in mind. I don't think PG is there yet (but getting closer all of the time). Granger never made it to that status..... But this is only my opinion...... ...
How exactly aren't the Bulls more talented? The only player on the Pacers clearly more talented than anything the Bulls have is George, and even he generally struggles to defend against players who move well without the ball, like Hamilton.
I agree that the Pacers do have a chance against anybody in the league in a playoff series, chance against some much better than others, but they aren't even close to the best. Plus the disparity alone of players like Durant or LeBron and anybody on our roster trumps any slight advantage we might have with our 5th or 6th best player, especially in the playoffs. As we saw last year, when Wade and James decided to take over against the Pacers, we had no chance.
George hasn't had nearly as many problems in chasing players around this season either. He has made great strides in that department. And last year Paul George wasn't what he is today. West wasn't 100% either. This years team is better. Thats why without Granger, we still have the same record half way through the season.
The Spurs are pretty deep and will be very tough to beat when healthy.
The title said best "team". Seems like OP is saying top to bottom depth/talent. It's certainly up there, but the best? I'd agree Chicago is probably equal or notch above justi nin our division. Personally would not put Granger over Deng. Not sure George is that far over Deng. I obviously think highly of him as a player though.
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