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    Roy Hibbert's shooting splits per ESPN:

    Field Goal percentage:

    October: 46.2% (6-13, 1 game)

    November: 37.8% (59-156, 15 games)

    December: 40.7% (59-145, 15 games)

    January: 46.3% (68-147, 15 games)

    Free Throw percentage:

    October: 50% (2-4, 1 game)

    November: 56.3% (18-32, 15 games)

    December: 73.5% (25-34, 15 games)

    January: 82.9% (29-35, 15 games)

    All, in all there is an upward trend. Roy continues to take roughly the same amount of shots and the same amount of FTs but he's hitting them more.

    As you can also see, the difference between 40.7% (a low percentage for a Center) and 46.3% (a decent percentage for a back to the basket player) is merely 9 more made shots.

    So, let's all hope that Roy can build up on it and improve his offensive production
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    Default Re: Roy Hibbert's scoring

    He has looked better lately.

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    46% isn't decent for a back-to-basket center, it's the "lower end", and while it is an improvement, it's sad that his "peak" FG% so far is 46%. And it's not like Hibbert takes mid range shots that stretch the D and misses many of them so his FG takes a hit. I haven't looked it up yet, but Hibbert probably has among the lowest TS% of all centers in the league, even when he's at his peak 46%. Maybe even lowest TS% in the entire league...
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    I will say that 83% free throw shooting from your 7'2" center is pretty remarkable.

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    lets hope this trend continues!
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    Hopefully, his FG% continues to trend upward. I can definitely live with that 80%+ from FT.

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    I will say that 83% free throw shooting from your 7'2" center is pretty remarkable.
    While I agree... That type of FT shooting is what I expect from Hibby due to past production...

    I'm glad to see the upward trend... Hopefully that wrist is getting better and gets back to 100% come Playoff time...
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    David Aldridge mentioned on NBATV that the Pacers may be looking to add a veteran center for the playoffs due to Roy's underperforming this season. Thought that was interesting based on our acquisition of Ian Mahinmi in the off-season.

    There was a report a month ago that Roy had hurt his wrist, thus explaining his drop in offensive production. Has anyone heard an update on that injury?

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    Though, Roy does offensively rebound a fair share of his misses...
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    Additionally Roy has averaged 11.5 and 8.5 on 48 percent over the last 10 in 28.7 minutes.

    (14.4/10.6 per 36 minutes)

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    46% isn't decent for a back-to-basket center, it's the "lower end", and while it is an improvement, it's sad that his "peak" FG% so far is 46%.
    Well, it depends.

    DeMarcus Cousins has never shot above 45% for a season. Hibbert has hit 45% in every season except this one.

    Zach Randolph is shooting 47.3% in his career. Hibbert is at 47.2%.

    When Hibbert is shooting his usual percentages he is as effective as several back-to-basket Centers.

    46% is indeed the lower end of that but his career average is better than that.

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    And it's not like Hibbert takes mid range shots that stretch the D and misses many of them so his FG takes a hit.
    Hibbert's shot charts per basketball reference:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...shooting/2013/

    According to this chart, Hibbert has taken 152 jump shots. He has hit 42 of them for a 27.6%.

    The rest of his percentages are not horrendous.

    Dunks: 86.2% (25-29)

    Hook Shots: 51.2% (64-125)

    Lay-up: 40% (34-85) [that could have been better)

    Tip shot: 38.6% (27-70) [that could have been better as well)

    However, I don't know what type of shots those jump shots are. Because frankly that number seems a bit high. I don't remember him taking more jump shots than hook shots

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    I haven't looked it up yet, but Hibbert probably has among the lowest TS% of all centers in the league, even when he's at his peak 46%. Maybe even lowest TS% in the entire league...
    Hibbert has a 45.2 TS% this season. That's very low but it's not the lowest in the league.

    Here's the list:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...tingPct/page/7

    He ranks #309 out of 334 qualified players.

    In fact, he does not even have the lowest TS% of the Pacers. Sam Young (44.8%) and Gerald Green (44.7%) are lower than him.

    Festus Ezeli and Chuck Hayes (well, Chuck is not exactly a Center but he can fill in as one) have a TS of 45.1 and 44.4 respectively.

    There are also 5 players that are posting a TS below 40%.

    Austin Rivers is at 39.9%, Lamar Odom is at 39.7%, Doron Lamb is at 38.4%, Jared Jeffries is at 35.3% and Earl Watson is at 35%.
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    Additionally Roy has averaged 11.5 and 8.5 on 48 percent over the last 10 in 28.7 minutes.

    (14.4/10.6 per 36 minutes)
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    We're getting him looks in different ways than last season when we used to run the offense through him. He's definitely been better lately offensively, last game he passed as the roll man for the first time I can remember.

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    I still think the return of Danny will help Roy out a lot more than most people expect.

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    Well, it depends.

    DeMarcus Cousins has never shot above 45% for a season. Hibbert has hit 45% in every season except this one.
    Which is exactly why you don't see people ranking him among the top centers in the league and just a "potential". He is also attempting almost 5 more shots per game than Hibbert, and generally the more shots you take the lower your FG% gets

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    Zach Randolph is shooting 47.3% in his career. Hibbert is at 47.2%.
    Z-bo isn't a center, he's a power forward, and many of his shots are mid range attempts as part of his role on offense (which he generally converts)

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    When Hibbert is shooting his usual percentages he is as effective as several back-to-basket Centers.
    He's still slightly below average (or average) in terms of efficiency for his career FG%, but I agree he isn't as horrible as he is right now


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    Hibbert has a 45.2 TS% this season. That's very low but it's not the lowest in the league.

    Here's the list:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...tingPct/page/7

    He ranks #309 out of 334 qualified players.

    In fact, he does not even have the lowest TS% of the Pacers. Sam Young (44.8%) and Gerald Green (44.7%) are lower than him.

    Festus Ezeli and Chuck Hayes (well, Chuck is not exactly a Center but he can fill in as one) have a TS of 45.1 and 44.4 respectively.

    There are also 5 players that are posting a TS below 40%.

    Austin Rivers is at 39.9%, Lamar Odom is at 39.7%, Doron Lamb is at 38.4%, Jared Jeffries is at 35.3% and Earl Watson is at 35%.
    Proves my point. Only a combination of bench warmers/guys that get waived/rookies are less efficient on offense than Hibbert this season. So his TS% isn't lowest in the league, but it's deep down there.

    I have nothing against how Hibbert shot the ball last year, but his 41% season avg & "peak" of 46% is just unacceptable. M.Gasol, Dwight, Horford, Okafor, Nene, Gortat, Kaman, Lopez, Noah, Garnett, Duncan, and probably many others shoot a SEASON avg FG% higher than Hibbert's "peak" FG% this season. For most of these guys 46% would be considered a bad month.
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    Which is exactly why you don't see people ranking him among the top centers in the league and just a "potential". He is also attempting almost 5 more shots per game than Hibbert, and generally the more shots you take the lower your FG% gets


    Z-bo isn't a center, he's a power forward, and many of his shots are mid range attempts as part of his role on offense (which he generally converts)


    He's still slightly below average (or average) in terms of efficiency for his career FG%, but I agree he isn't as horrible as he is right now



    Proves my point. Only a combination of bench warmers/guys that get waived/rookies are less efficient on offense than Hibbert this season. So his TS% isn't lowest in the league, but it's deep down there.

    I have nothing against how Hibbert shot the ball last year, but his 41% season avg & "peak" of 46% is just unacceptable. M.Gasol, Dwight, Horford, Okafor, Nene, Gortat, Kaman, Lopez, Noah, Garnett, Duncan, and probably many others shoot a SEASON avg FG% higher than Hibbert's "peak" FG% this season. For most of these guys 46% would be considered a bad month.
    Hibbert is better defensively than most of those guys, and plus he's on an upward trend, which is the whole point of this thread. Over the last 10 he's been at 48 percent, his shooting numbers continue to rise, we don't know if his "peak" is his peak for the season yet. If he ends up shooting about 48 percent the rest of the season I wouldn't be overly upset. Hibbert's great contribution to this team is his defense, if he shoots in the high 40's and isn't a liability 5 feet from the basket frankly that's enough for me, and last year he proved he can be alot more than that. I think he'll get back to that level, clearly something has been up with him, be it the wrist or something else. Since he's been improving i'm willing to buy that he'll get over it and return to at least the same level he was at last season. He doesn't even need to be as deadly in the post to get there, since his defense is improved this season over the last one.

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    Z-bo isn't a center, he's a power forward, and many of his shots are mid range attempts as part of his role on offense (which he generally converts)
    Well, he is still a back-to-basket big.

    Also, check his shot chart for this season:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...shooting/2013/

    402 of his 588 shot attempts have come from 9 feet within the basket or less. That's 68.8% of his shot attempts.

    Hibbert has had 80.6% of his shots (372 out of 461) from within 9 feet but still the difference is not as big.

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    He's still slightly below average (or average) in terms of efficiency for his career FG%, but I agree he isn't as horrible as he is right now
    That's my point. Hibbert has average efficiency for a center with his skill set and he is not as bad as he seems this season.

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    Proves my point. Only a combination of bench warmers/guys that get waived/rookies are less efficient on offense than Hibbert this season. So his TS% isn't lowest in the league, but it's deep down there.
    Hey, I never said that you weren't right for this season

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    I have nothing against how Hibbert shot the ball last year, but his 41% season avg & "peak" of 46% is just unacceptable..
    Well, I don't think that this 46% is going to be a peak. I feel that he is improving slowly but steadily and that he will end up averaging around 45%
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