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    So I was thinking about Friday's game and how each player would look in the pinstripes and was mentally going through each number on the roster and came to a screeching halt at 24. The last Pacer (to my recollection) to wear #24 was Jonny Bender. Envisioning PG in a #24 pinstripe jersey made me think of the striking similarities in build he has to Bender. Both tall lanky players with unbelievable athleticism. The more and more I thought about it the more incredible it became at how it seems what PG is doing now is what everyone had hope Bender would be able to do. When we traded Antonio Davis for him in '99 everyone was enamored with the potential he showed. And in his first 4 years he showed flashes of brilliance. Unfortunately those knees of his just couldn't hold up. In his last couple of years here he was rapidly developing as a sharpshooter from 3 and possessed freakish athleticism that allowed him to finish anywhere within a 10 foot radius of the hoop. Their personalities on the court even shared some similarities. About the only place I'd say PG is substantially better would be dribbling but I have a feeling if Bender could have logged as many minutes as PG has through 3 years he would have been much better in that department as well.

    What say you? Have any of you ever thought about this before? Or do any of you think they are not really comparable?

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    Default Re: Is PG what Jonathan Bender could have been?

    Jonathon Bender once scored like 100 points in a game. I don't know if you want that kind of scoring mentality being your primary ballhandler. I wish we could have seen a healthy Bender, though. Could have been really interesting

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    No not really even close, no offense. Jonathon was like a Dirk Norwitski/Kevin Durrant type ( not sayiong as good but in style) he was a 7 footer who could hanle the rock like a guard and stick 3 pointers. PG has a much better overall game , specifically his defensive abilities
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    Default Re: Is PG what Jonathan Bender could have been?

    Sort of...Bender had more of a post game if I can remember and was also very good blocking shots
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    Default Re: Is PG what Jonathan Bender could have been?

    I'm not sure about the comparison but here is a video so you guys can think about it.









    edit: Look who is giving him the ball lol




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    PG is much more... smooth. Like butter.

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    A point guard? Just what kind of bball IQ do you think Bender had? No way he could ever be a PG even though that knucklehead Thomas did have Bender bring the ball up the court early in his career. Bender was pretty much a "deer in the headlights" when it came to understanding offensive movement.

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    There was a lot of talk of Bender playing the two but he could never defend that position at a high enough level and spent most of his PT at the three because he wasn't as much of defensive liability there. Bender had the rep as being ultra-athletic but other than a good vert I always thought his lateral quickness, strength, footwork, end to end speed, anticipation etc was kind of underwhelming. He did have a sweet stroke but struggled when he was bodied up on and the shots were contested.

    PG IMO is light years ahead of Bender as a total package basketball player. The only resemblance I see is two long guys with good looking perimter shots.

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    Jonathon Bender once scored like 100 points in a game. I don't know if you want that kind of scoring mentality being your primary ballhandler. I wish we could have seen a healthy Bender, though. Could have been really interesting
    Lol yeah in HS. Did he ever score more than 25 in an NBA game?!

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    Seriously, beast23? lol. The PG refers to Paul George, not point guard.

    I think it's a reasonable comparison. I mean, the hope was that Bender could be a tall, long, skilled, athletically-gifted small forward -- exactly what PG is. Their games may have been different, but we were hoping that Bender ended up exactly what Paul George is.

    Of course, Bender just wasn't very good. I know the injuries get blamed for ruining his career, but even when healthy he didn't show that much outside of some decent scoring potential. My guess is, had he stayed healthy, his best-case scenario would've been something along the lines of Charlie Villanueva.

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    The defense is the biggest difference. Paul is already an elite defender and came into the league as a good defender.

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    It's like Bulls fans asking if Scottie Pippen is what Brad Sellers could have been.
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    Johnathon Bender reached beyond the potential of his NBA career- An NBA bust who made it thru 2 contracts (actually getting a serious contract beyond his rookie contract) not counting a 3rd 'comeback' paycheck and whatever that paid). Even if he was perfectly healthy I have my doubts that he had the drive and desire to be anything but a disappointment. His basketball IQ was always in question.

    Jonathon Bender couldn't have been Paul George even in his dreams. He couldn't have been Lance... or George Hill either... or James Jones for that matter. Perhaps he could've been Gerald Green.
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    I still remember the big deal every one made when Bender had his 20 point game against the Magic (on Christmas day IIRC) on the rats board. I'm glad we don't have to hold on to a game like that for Paul.

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    Johnathon Bender reached beyond the potential of his NBA career- An NBA bust who made it thru 2 contracts (actually getting a serious contract beyond his rookie contract) not counting a 3rd 'comeback' paycheck and whatever that paid). Even if he was perfectly healthy I have my doubts that he had the drive and desire to be anything but a disappointment. His basketball IQ was always in question.

    Jonathon Bender couldn't have been Paul George even in his dreams. He couldn't have been Lance... or George Hill either... or James Jones for that matter. Perhaps he could've been Gerald Green.
    I wasn't around at that time so can you explain to me how he got those contracts even though he was hurt?

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    I wasn't around at that time so can you explain to me how he got those contracts even though he was hurt?
    I can't explain how he got those contracts even though he really wasn't very good at basketball... let alone had injury concerns...
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    Jonathon Bender once scored like 100 points in a game.
    umm.... no. His claim to fame was 31 points in the McDonalds All-American game, which broke Jordan's record. He averaged 23 ppg in high school. Maybe you're thinking of Dajuan Wagner, who scored 100 in high school?

    We saw only brief moments shadowed by injury and low basketball IQ.

    Some of his coaches say there was a lot more that we never got to see.

    "Of all the guys I’ve ever seen in this league, in 20-plus years, in terms of basketball ability he’s in the top 1 or 2 percent,” said Dallas Mavericks Coach Rick Carlisle"


    In his early practices with the Pacers, Bender routinely made plays — a rebound, a block, a dunk — that left teammates awestruck. “The other guys would stop and go, ‘Did you see what he just did?’ ” said Donnie Walsh.... “The whole team would stop.”

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    I wasn't around at that time so can you explain to me how he got those contracts even though he was hurt?
    1st contract = rookie deal
    2nd contract followed his one and only year where he played a whole season (well, 78 games). He then played 76 games COMBINED over the next 4 seasons.
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    Johnathon Bender reached beyond the potential of his NBA career- An NBA bust who made it thru 2 contracts (actually getting a serious contract beyond his rookie contract) not counting a 3rd 'comeback' paycheck and whatever that paid). Even if he was perfectly healthy I have my doubts that he had the drive and desire to be anything but a disappointment. His basketball IQ was always in question.

    Jonathon Bender couldn't have been Paul George even in his dreams. He couldn't have been Lance... or George Hill either... or James Jones for that matter. Perhaps he could've been Gerald Green.
    I dont know how you draw these evaluations after only a few nba seasons. for which Bender never was healthy. at least for a consistent number of games. i would certainly not disagree with the injury issues Bender experienced. howwever, the bust and reaching nba potential and so forth i do not understand. maybe you saw differently than i and can explain in more detail.

    the bender i remember had unbelievable athleticsm. was bascially 7'0 and could play any position other than point gaurd. he was too young to state as having low iq and reached his nba ceiling in potential. one play i recall Bender pump faking from the 3 pt line taking a dribble then 2 steps from just inside free throw line and dunking. it was amazing. dude basically dunked from free throw line in a game with defense. oh and he could shoot lights out .. durantesque. but he wasnt healhty enough to prove it.

    i ddont know if he would have been the greatest. but i will say this much. when the few occassions bender was on the floor with JO. there was no doubt who the best player or most dynamic player was on the basketball court. you could just see it on JO's face when Bender was on the court that he knew he was not the most dangerrous player on the court.

    Oden and Bender's careers are very much the same. I dont think you can say either one ever reached their nba potential. Glenn Robinson reached his nba potential.





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    I wasn't around at that time so can you explain to me how he got those contracts even though he was hurt?
    were you not around as a fan at that time.. was just interested inknowing what you meant by that ?

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    I can't explain how he got those contracts even though he really wasn't very good at basketball... let alone had injury concerns...
    injury concerns yes. not very good at basketball.. your basing this on what? the guy could shoot and leap out of the gym at 7'0 tall... what wasnt to like. Al Harrington, Johnathon Bender, JO were the trio at one time i believed would carry this team after Reggie retired. none of those guys ended their career as pacers. The nba has really changed since those days.

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    umm.... no. His claim to fame was 31 points in the McDonalds All-American game, which broke Jordan's record. He averaged 23 ppg in high school. Maybe you're thinking of Dajuan Wagner, who scored 100 in high school?
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    IMO, Bender with healthy knees may have meant multiple rings for the Pacers, and potentially multiple All Star appearances due to coaches votes as a result of the defender that having healthy knees would have allowed him to be as well as the scorer and ball handler he likely would have been with more consistent playing time.

    He actually could have made even the JOB system work as a "stretch 4" IMO.

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    Bender was overrated, over hyped 7' kid that played like a man amongst boys only cause his height at 16-17 years old. He had great mobility and a good stroke. He never translated to the NBA in the sense of being a pick 5. It was a very poor pick and thank goodness kids have to play against men before draft. He is one of the top bust in the last 30 years. There is no comparison in the 2 except a jersey number. You better not have jinx Paul's health for this slander of a comparison.
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    They have the same number....

    I always had high hopes for Bender...
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    He was a hell of a horse player.

    But other than that I'm going to go the route of ABAdays here.


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    If his body would have allowed it, I think at the very least he would've made an interesting stretch 4 when the NBA shifted in that direction. O'Brien would've loved him at PF. Maybe even at center.

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