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    Default Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again :)

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    Things changed for the better for the Pacers 2 yrs ago today. O'Brien was fired and Vogel was named interim coach.










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    It'd be great to have a great week of basketball to celebrate

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    I'll never forget that day, closed one of the worst chapters in Pacer history.

    Never could have dreamed that Vogel would have done such a fantastic job. He turned out to be much, much more than just "Not JOB".
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    what is satan.. i mean Obrien up to these days anyway... last i heard he was an assistant somewhere??

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    what is satan.. i mean Obrien up to these days anyway... last i heard he was an assistant somewhere??
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    I would say the 8th wonder of the world is that Vogel turned out to be JOB's exact opposite.
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    I would say the 8th wonder of the world is that Vogel turned out to be JOB's exact opposite.
    I remember, I think it was Dakich, saying..that a lot of times assistants for struggling coaches sit back and wonder what they would do differently.

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    I remember, I think it was Dakich, saying..that a lot of times assistants for struggling coaches sit back and wonder what they would do differently.

    I would imagine every assistant coach does that and should do that.

    If I were a GM and I was interviewing an assisstant coach, one question I would ask is what would you do differently (I don't care if we just won the championship) and if the guy answers, I wouldn't change a thing - then I would stop the interview right there and move to the next candidate.
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    what is satan.. i mean Obrien up to these days anyway... last i heard he was an assistant somewhere??
    He actually got a good gig which most posters here said would never happen. He is the assistant head coach in Dallas..... The man is a first class NBA coach and he did a great job in rebuilding the Pacers on the fly..... ...

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    He actually got a good gig which most posters here said would never happen. He is the assistant head coach in Dallas..... The man is a first class NBA coach and he did a great job in rebuilding the Pacers on the fly..... ...
    I'm pretty sure he was not the one in charge of rebuilding the Pacers if that was the case we would have a team filled with a bunch of stretch forwards that can't play D worth a damn.

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    I would say the 8th wonder of the world is that Vogel turned out to be JOB's exact opposite.
    Except you could see it coming from Frank's first press conference.... lol.
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    He actually got a good gig which most posters here said would never happen. He is the assistant head coach in Dallas..... The man is a first class NBA coach and he did a great job in rebuilding the Pacers on the fly..... ...
    you can't be serious, at least i hope you're not

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    I'm pretty sure he was not the one in charge of rebuilding the Pacers if that was the case we would have a team filled with a bunch of stretch forwards that can't play D worth a damn.
    Yeah, he didn't rebuild *****. O'Brien's vision of the pacers and the current makeup of the roster couldn't possibly be any more different

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    you can't be serious, at least i hope you're not
    I am very serious and outside of Indiana, JOB is well respected and it was a no brainer that he would get another gig and he might even be a head coach again. ...

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    Yeah, he didn't rebuild *****. O'Brien's vision of the pacers and the current makeup of the roster couldn't possibly be any more different
    It wasn't JOB's vision. It was Larry Bird's vision. He brought O'Brien in to be a disciplinarian and to mold the roster into a running team. He did what he was hired to do and he did it well with an almost complete roster turnover.... Coaches in rebuilding situations never get to reap the fruit of their efforts..... You will note that he quickly went to work for another Bird disciple in Dallas. I never heard Bird say a negative word about JOB....... If Bird goes to another team as is rumored, don't be surprised if JOB comes along too...... ...

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    I'm pretty sure he was not the one in charge of rebuilding the Pacers if that was the case we would have a team filled with a bunch of stretch forwards that can't play D worth a damn.
    No, he was given the job of working what Bird provided him, laying down a strong foundation of team discipline to a team that sorely needed it, keep winning enough games to keep the team from going into the dregs and mold it into a running team. He did all of that and he did it well..... ...

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    Even though some on here may not always agree with OlBlu, let's stop with the namecalling. He has a somewhat different view on certain things, and you may or may not agree, but if you take a step back, he does add a different dimension to the discussion at times.

    Now onto the discussion, I agree that JOB did do a lot of things that were wrong. He didn't play the young players, he was stubborn, and he did use a basketball philosophy that most people did not enjoy. We can overstate it for popularity sake, let's shoot 3's all day long as soon as we cross half court and to make sure we can get up enough 3's, let's not play defense so we can use the great equalisor. However, I have to agree with OlBlu that he did instill harsh rules, everybody had to follow suit and he did instill a winning mentality. Even if you are crap, you are not allowed to slack off and are forced to squeeze out as many wins as is possible. You keep on playing hard! Even though some things coulda/shoulda/woulda been different, the players did learn some things.

    Though most of us did not like the playing style, people were fed up with the throw the ball in the post and let's wait until somethings happens... or not!-style that Carlisle had the team playing. Just go back to earlier threads on PD.
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    Today – Jan. 30, 2013 – is a notable day in Indiana Pacers history. Two years ago, Larry Bird fired Jim O’Brien after three-and-a-half seasons and promoted Frank Vogel, a guy with zero head coaching experience, to interim head coach.
    The move paid off and the health of the franchise is much greater because of it.
    Jim O’Brien didn’t sit well with players. The team was 17-27 on Jan 30., 2011. My last memory of O’Brien is watching him get tossed the night before in Chicago, and being escorted off the floor by John Gray, the teams’ Director of Team Security.
    Enter Vogel (a loyal friend and mentee of O’Brien’s), who paid his dues — working his way up from video coordinator, to scout, to assistant coach and was now directing an NBA team. He built a great rapport in the locker room and it was his relationships and up-beat attitude that would change the culture of the franchise.
    Bring on smashmouth basketball. That was the term he used to describe their play over the first year-and-a-half.
    Vogel finished the year 20-18 and had the interim tag removed over the summer. He went out and hired Brian Shaw, a worthy head coach, to be his Associate Head Coach. He also brought on a former head coach in Jim Boylen and kept longtime assistant Dan Burke on board.
    Last season, he guided the Pacers to a 42-24 record, good for the fifth-best record in the NBA during the lockout-shortened season. This year, the Pacers have been among the top of the Eastern Conference without the services of Danny Granger. When the team struggled in the early going, Vogel wasn’t afraid to shake things up and implement change.
    Just over three weeks ago on Jan. 7th, Vogel received a contract extension which both recognized what he has done and provided some job security.
    On the two-year anniversary of his start as an NBA head coach, Frank Vogel, the second-youngest active NBA coach behind Orlando’s Jacque Vaughn, has a career record of 88-61 (.591).

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    Even though some on here may not always agree with OlBlu, let's stop with the namecalling. He has a somewhat different view on certain things, and you may or may not agree, but if you take a step back, he does add a different dimension to the discussion at times.

    Now onto the discussion, I agree that JOB did do a lot of things that were wrong. He didn't play the young players, he was stubborn, and he did use a basketball philosophy that most people did not enjoy. We can overstate it for popularity sake, let's shoot 3's all day long as soon as we cross half court and to make sure we can get up enough 3's, let's not play defense so we can use the great equalisor. However, I have to agree with OlBlu that he did instill harsh rules, everybody had to follow suit and he did instill a winning mentality. Even if you are crap, you are not allowed to slack off and are forced to squeeze out as many wins as is possible. You keep on playing hard! Even though some things coulda/shoulda/woulda been different, the players did learn some things.

    Though most of us did not like the playing style, people were fed up with the throw the ball in the post and let's wait until somethings happens... or not!-style that Carlisle had the team playing. Just go back to earlier threads on PD.
    Well said. The current Lakers coach has a high profile job although I am not a fan, he is very similar to JOB in all the things that you state. At the time that JOB was hired, Phoenix seemed to be new big thing and I think that had a lot to with Bird hiring JOB and forcing that running game..... ...

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    What a great day that was in Pacers history! From that first interview Frank did, I have been sold.


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    Well said. The current Lakers coach has a high profile job although I am not a fan, he is very similar to JOB in all the things that you state. At the time that JOB was hired, Phoenix seemed to be new big thing and I think that had a lot to with Bird hiring JOB and forcing that running game..... ...
    D'Antoni isn't a complete ******* to his players. (Bryant and Nash actually like him..)
    And although there are similarities, and yes, D'Antoni likes skilled bigmen, D'Antoni's offense is significantly better and actually involves a lot of traditional basketball fundamentals.

    IMO, JOB was much closer to Westhead's philosophy, which was "run the ball and take the first open shot" essentially. But once again, Westhead is a significantly better coach and showed over time that he was willing to adjust his sytem to his teams, or at least did so when he was older.

    Bottom line is, teams where Westhead and D'Antoni's systems worked had players who supported them. I have yet to hear of a player respecting JOB at all, (In fact, pretty much the most positive review of Jimmy has come from AJ Price...who when prodded to say something negative about JOB...laughs a bit and simply compliments Frank.) but a whole lot of them have openly and pretty aggressively stated their dislike (and not just Pacers players.)

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    This is interesting OlBlu in here propping up JOB and Vnzla hasn't jumped his ****? What up with that?

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