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    "It's a matter of learning (for Howard)," Bryant told USA TODAY Sports as he exited Staples Center. "What I try to tell him is that it's not necessarily about what you (want), how you are as a person, or what's comfortable for you. It's really about what's going to help elevate us.

    "So for us to have a team that's confrontational and on edge brings out the competitive spirit of everybody else, you know what I'm saying? If everybody is just relaxed and happy-go-lucky and this that and the other, then that's the personality we'll have as a team. And then you run into a team that's a confrontational team, and it's like a bus."

    Bryant wouldn't feel this way if he hadn't been run over a bus like that before.

    "That's what happened to us in 2008," he continued. "Everything was really easy for us, real smooth and this that and the other. Everybody liked each other. And then we got to the Finals (against Boston), and we ran into a bus. The Celtics those (expletives) just beat the (expletive) out of us (in six games)."
    I feel as though Granger is our only enforcer. In the Miami series he was the only one to step up to any confrontation. Everyone else just stood and watched. I feel as though our team can be too mentally soft at times. Remember when Tyler got punched? Last night our performance lacked emotion. It lacked accountability. I didn't see one player get pissed about our poor defensive rotations. We looked like robots out there. Our team is a great defensive powerhouse, and with Granger back we'll have added scoring.. but I can't help but think this team is too mentally weak to survive the playoffs.

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    West and Hansbrough are our enforcers, not Granger. Yeah he acts like a butt-hurt baby sometimes towards teams when he's losing (Miami, Chicago) but he's no enforcer
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    I don't think as a team we are mentally weak, we are pretty good in crunch time of games and we rarely give up leads in the 4th.

    Portland was desperate for a win, they lost 5 in a row, we were filling pretty good about ourselves after beating Memphis, predictable out come.

    Everyone loses to Utah on the road. We fought from behind the entire game and predictably lost at the end. Like most teams do in the NBA
    when fighting from behind most of a game.

    Now we head to Denver, very tough place to play and we'll probably lose. The board will freak out and demand this trade and that trade cause the team is imploding and we may never win again, all our players suck, bla bla bla.....

    We'll be fine, we're a good team that will be a lot better in March than we are right now.
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    West and Hansbrough are our enforcers, not Granger. Yeah he acts like a butt-hurt baby sometimes towards teams when he's losing (Miami, Chicago) but he's no enforcer
    West, maybe. But what about Hansbrough makes you think of him as an enforcer?

    I really don't consider West one either but because of the Larry Sanders incident last year I'll just relent and say okay.

    But Tyler?


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    I don't think as a team we are mentally weak, we are pretty good in crunch time of games and we rarely give up leads in the 4th.

    Portland was desperate for a win, they lost 5 in a row, we were filling pretty good about ourselves after beating Memphis, predictable out come.

    Everyone loses to Utah on the road. We fought from behind the entire game and predictably lost at the end. Like most teams do in the NBA
    when fighting from behind most of a game.

    Now we head to Denver, very tough place to play and we'll probably lose. The board will freak out and demand this trade and that trade cause the team is imploding and we may never win again, all our players suck, bla bla bla.....

    We'll be fine, we're a good team that will be a lot better in March than we are right now.
    By all means, this isn't a thread in response to our last two games. I could care less about those. I'm merely stating the fact I think our team is too happy go lucky, and it doesn't have an edge. A bite. We are rough. We play hard. But if we get punched in the face, do we punch back? (figuratively)

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    I think people mistake hard defense, inside grind out play, and hustle with enforcing and toughness. David West is too soft spoken to be an enforcer. Tyler is definitely not Bill Laimbeer.

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    Granger brings swagger and scoring to this team that it is missing right now.

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    First, the disrespect towards Granger from (a lot) of posters is baffling, and asinine.

    Second, despite the fact that last season our team was always there for each other when little conflicts arose during the game, the mentally toughest thing any player did was when DC took a cheap shot from Wade, and didn't retaliate, but sank two free throws.

    This idea that you need an "enforcer" is silly. Someone takes a cheap shot, win the game.

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    DG might not be an enforcer, but he does bring an edge to this team.

    Dwest is probably the main enforcer on the team. Danny's more like Reggie in bringing an edge. He figures out something this pisses him off about the other team goes and tries to beat them.

    You need a guy that will get you pissed off at the other team even before you step on the court. That will be much needed in the playoffs where nice guys don't win. You have to be in the "zone" the entire game for the playoffs.

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    Second, despite the fact that last season our team was always there for each other when little conflicts arose during the game, the mentally toughest thing any player did was when DC took a cheap shot from Wade, and didn't retaliate, but sank two free throws..
    Though I agree with you on DC, I think Lance's reaction (non-reaction) to the Pittman hit was both more mentally and physically tough. To me, that moment truly began his career on the Pacers.

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    That Pittman elbow still pisses me off. That was assault.

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    To me, Granger may not be an enforcer, but he's the only one who won't back down to a superstar. He will step up and go toe-to-toe on the court, or get in their face. It may be fake, but at least he has the courage and balls to do it. He can usually back up his actions with play, also.
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    Hans should be getting more playing time. I don't like the guy, but he seems to be playing well of late. Lance has hit the wall it seems. He's been bad lately, but he's also been getting around 30min all season when never playing much before in the 2 previous seasons. Might need a lineup change where DJ and Hill are starting at the pg and sg and Lance coming off the bench as a pg.
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    Though I agree with you on DC, I think Lance's reaction (non-reaction) to the Pittman hit was both more mentally and physically tough. To me, that moment truly began his career on the Pacers.
    I honestly didn't see this, but I assume it was this season, and I meant from last season. (Our team last season had a tendency to have chippy moments in games.)

    But yes, that's my point. (what Lance did) Don't react with more an "enforcer attidue" like you are going to fight when we all know you wont. Win the game. If they really upset you, blow them out.
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    West, maybe. But what about Hansbrough makes you think of him as an enforcer?

    I really don't consider West one either but because of the Larry Sanders incident last year I'll just relent and say okay.

    But Tyler?
    Trying messing with his brother and you'll find out!

    Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough! NOBODY!
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    I honestly didn't see this, but I assume it was this season, and I meant from last season. (Our team last season had a tendency to have chippy moments in games.)

    But yes, that's my point. (what Lance did) Don't react with more an "enforcer attidue" like you are going to fight when we all know you wont. Win the game. If they really upset you, blow them out.
    The Pittman hit was when Pittman floored Lance in such a way as to maximize the impact and potentially injure him during the Heat playoff series as a direct retaliation for Lance taunting Lebron when the Pacers had control of the series. Had Lance not done what he did (which gained a LOT of media coverage, and even included other confrontations between Lance and other members of the Heat during non-game times later), the Pittman hit would not have occurred. I attribute Lance's non reaction to his street mentality where he likely learned that reactions to retaliation only serve to make things worse, both immediately and in the long-term, and that he likely felt extreme fear at that point in time.

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    I thought everyone knew the Pacers take tough pills, which make them enforcers. A bus would be pancaked if confronted by Pacers in uniform.

    Gosh *sigh*
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    I attribute Lance's non reaction to his street mentality where he likely learned that reactions to retaliation only serve to make things worse, both immediately and in the long-term, and that he likely felt extreme fear at that point in time.
    Uhh ... hwhut?

    I can only think you are trying to downplay any idea that Lance has matured by coming up with rather far-fetched or insulting reasoning. I have NEVER heard the "street mentality" was to back down after retaliation - isn't it supposed to be to treat retaliation as a disrespect and retaliate in turn? I would suppose that had he done so you would have blamed THAT on the street mentality as well.

    As for the "extreme fear" ... wow. That's quite a reach.
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    The OP mentioned that he didn't see anyone get pissed at one another for failed defensive rotations. Maybe you missed it, but Hibbert got pissed at Lance once and PG once, PG got pissed at Hibbert once and West once, and West got pissed at Lance. PG threw in a bonus "what the hell?" Shoulder shrug at Hibbert for failing to hold position in the post, leading to a PG turnover.

    The game was littered with Pacers getting pissed. Only one of those was an up-close shot, and none of them were pointed out by the commentators, but they happened.

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    If we lose in the playoffs, I don't think it will be as much Pacers not being tough enough as Lebron and Wade hitting ridiculous shots and smothering our perimeter guards. "Attitude" is fine but the key is always talent and execution of said talent.

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    Granger brings swagger and scoring to this team that it is missing right now.
    Have you not been watching Paul George play?

    Granger may bring an additional scorer to the team, but we'll have to wait and see how much rust there is.

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    I feel as though Granger is our only enforcer. In the Miami series he was the only one to step up to any confrontation.
    Yeah, and he had all the effect that a mosquito has on an elephant. Mouth backed up by nothing else.

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