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    Here it is:

    Thomas master of his trade

    Sam Smith

    February 16, 2004


    LOS ANGELES -- So has Isiah Thomas changed the balance of power in the Eastern Conference with still another major deal, Sunday's exchange of supposedly underachieving forwards?

    The Knicks' Keith Van Horn and the Bucks' Tim Thomas change uniforms in a three-way deal also involving Atlanta that comes four days before the league's Thursday trading deadline and follows New York's acquisition of Stephon Marbury.

    "When you add Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed to our team, the opportunity to trade one player and get back potentially two starters [at] small forward and center, I'm excited," Thomas said before Sunday's All-Star Game.

    Van Horn is averaging 16.4 points and Thomas 14.1. It's the second time they have been traded for one another, the first time on draft night in 1997. Van Horn joins his fourth team.

    The Hawks got Joel Przybilla and Michael Doleac and now have only five players under contract beyond this season: Doleac, Jason Terry, Boris Diaw, Chris Crawford and Alan Henderson.

    But the question is, did the Knicks move too soon? The Hawks, trying to cut payroll and rebuild with new ownership coming in, were widely rumored to be eagerly shopping former All-Star Rasheed Wallace, whom they acquired in a trade last week. They reportedly don't want the troublesome Wallace suiting up in Atlanta. While he can be an embarrassment, he is a two-time All-Star, and three years ago he was the best player on a team that came within a jumper of a championship.

    Wallace is a versatile big man, a scorer who could be a major influence on a team in the Eastern Conference. The Knicks, sources say, were one of five teams pushing to deal for Wallace, along with the Rockets, Spurs, Mavericks and 76ers, who are trying to save their season and would like to get in the hunt for Wallace, a Philadelphia native. A league loophole allows him to be dealt again this season.

    The Mavericks' offer includes Antawn Jamison, and the Spurs would give up a package centered around Rasho Nesterovic. It's not clear what Houston might part with, maybe Kelvin Cato and Cuttino Mobley, but not Steve Francis.

    Bulls dozing: So are the Bulls up to anything? Those talks with the 76ers and Magic about Aaron McKie and Gordon Giricek involve Jamal Crawford. The Bulls supposedly want to deal Crawford before they have to negotiate with him after the season, but they know they need a scoring guard or forward to replace him to at least remain competitive the rest of the season.

    The Magic, the biggest underachiever of the season, is trying to shake things up, as are the fading Celtics by offering the expiring contract of Chris Mills. The front-running Pacers might be willing to move Al Harrington, who has been privately lobbying hard to start. There is talk they'll include Jamaal Tinsley in a package.

    Oh yeah, Kobe: No, the Lakers aren't about to do anything at the trading deadline this week. Despite Kobe Bryant's declarations of allegiance to the Lakers in interviews this weekend, two Western Conference general managers say they've been approached by Bryant's agent in recent weeks about what kind of contract they might be able to put together for Bryant after the season.

    Meanwhile, Tracy McGrady, who has an opt-out in his contract after next season, has expressed an interest in the Lakers.

    The rumor mill: So who else could be on the move? Portland is ready to deal the demoted Dale Davis as well as Ruben Patterson. The Magic is looking for a home for Juwan Howard, and Drew Gooden is said to want out. The Wizards are trying to deal Christian Laettner, whom owner Abe Pollin condemned for his recent drug suspension. The Pistons are trying to unload a contract to have enough salary-cap room to make a substantial offer to Mehmet Okur, in whom Denver is said to be interested.

    The Jazz is still looking at Tom Gugliotta from the Suns, who want to make a deal for luxury-tax relief after the season. Doug Christie's wife says the Kings are trying to trade Christie, though the Kings aren't saying anything. Seattle's Vladimir Radmanovic is said to be available as his playing time dwindles. The Sonics see Nick Collison returning next season and taking over at power forward.

    Wayman Tisdale II: Is he a loser or just unlucky? Shareef Abdur-Rahim has played almost 600 NBA games in eight seasons and has never been in a playoff game, the longest such streak in the NBA. Abdur-Rahim was traded to Portland last week, and the Blazers look like they will miss the playoffs for the first time since the early 1980s.

    Atlanta general manager Billy Knight said he tried to trade Abdur-Rahim to a stronger contender. "He has been maligned for not playing on a winning team and all those things, and I tried to send him to a championship team," Knight said. "That was my goal: Put him on a championship team just to shut everybody up. But I wasn't able to do it."

    Abdur-Rahim didn't get much of a welcome. Patterson complained about too many forwards with himself, Abdur-Rahim, Darius Miles and Zach Randolph. "We need a backup power forward, so Shareef is going to have to be that guy," Patterson said.

    A New York minute: The Knicks come out of the All-Star break four games under .500, and you know what that means: They're talking championship in New York. Two definitions of a dynasty: The first is when a family in China rules for hundreds of years. The other is when a New York team wins three games in a row.

    The Knicks are 10-5 since Lenny Wilkens replaced Don Chaney as coach and 16-10 since Thomas became team president. Owner James Dolan is doing his best Patrick Ewing impression.

    "I'm looking forward to making a few longer trips in May and even into June," Dolan said. "I'd like to see us go all the way. I think this team could. I don't think anybody would say that's not possible. They're only getting better. There's no reason to think they're not going to continue to improve.

    "It's hard for me to say we won't make the playoffs. There's very little chance we won't make the playoffs. I'm excited, I'm thrilled. I didn't think . . . we'd see this level of success this quick."

    The Knicks expect Allan Houston back in the lineup this week. He had been sidelined with knee problems.

    The Boiler boys: Brad Miller has joined the rare company of being an All-Star in both conferences. So how did it happen? "I got traded," Miller said.

    And the Sacramento Kings are thrilled. "Thank God for Brad Miller," Kings assistant coach Pete Carril said.

    Miller has been vital to the Kings reaching the top of the West without Chris Webber all season. "No one had any idea that Brad was going to be the kind of passer he turned out to be," Carril said. "There's an intelligence about his passing that goes beyond what we could have realized."

    Then there's his Purdue teammate Brian Cardinal, who has become vital to the struggling Warriors. Coach Eric Musselman was criticized for not playing Cardinal more when the Warriors scored two points in the fourth quarter against Toronto last week. Cardinal is now considered the team's most reliable shooter at 42 percent on three-pointers and 88 percent on free throws. He's averaging 10.3 points in 22 minutes per game and is coming off a 32-point game against the Suns last week, more points than he scored in any of his first three seasons in the NBA.

    "I knew I could be a contributor," said the man nicknamed "the Custodian" for his approach. "Did I ever think I would score 32 points in the NBA? I never even dreamed of that."

    Cardinal and Miller have similarities . . . and differences.

    "He got drafted," said Miller, who wasn't. "It's a blue-collar attitude for both of us. It's the attitude coach [Gene] Keady preaches, to go out there, play hard, knock someone on their butt, dive for the ball, all the little things no one does. We just kept playing the way we were taught."

    Sugar remembered: When asked to cite one of his worst moments in his two decades of running the NBA, Commissioner David Stern mentioned Micheal Ray Richardson's drug ban. Richardson was the first NBA player banned for life under the league's groundbreaking "three strikes and you're out" drug policy.

    Richardson, 48, in Los Angeles in his role as a community relations representative for the Denver Nuggets, thanked Stern. Why? "Because I'm still living," Richardson said. "I could have easily ended up like Len Bias."

    Richardson is hoping to get into coaching.

    "I have been really blessed," he said. "I know that if I hadn't had drug problems, I would have been able to play in the NBA for 13 or 14 years. After playing eight years in the league, I was able to go overseas and play another 12 years in Europe."

    Fire away, Fred: Kevin Garnett said he's pleased with the Timberwolves' addition of supporting role players such as former Bulls Trenton Hassell and Fred Hoiberg.

    Hoiberg was slumping recently, shooting 7-for-29 in a five-game stretch. But he recovered to shoot 19-for-32 the last six games before the All-Star break and is at a career-best 46.4 percent for the season. "When I was in Chicago and I wasn't shooting well, I was close to being found on the ceiling fan," Hoiberg said. "I let it get to me. KG always talks to me. I didn't have anybody in Chicago telling me to shoot the ball. When you're on a losing team, everybody tries to get their own. When your leader is like that and your coach wants you to shoot the ball when you get open, that's a great thing."

    Quick hits: John Thompson said he is concerned about Nets center Alonzo Mourning attempting a comeback this season. Mourning, who played for Thompson at Georgetown, received a kidney transplant in December. "I think that's what he's going to try to do," Thompson said. "He's not telling that to anybody, but I just know his drive." . . . Mark Pope returned to Denver's injured list last week and said he didn't like the explanation of tendinitis. He asked the team to say it was a hip replacement. "I was really pushing for something interesting, like chronic dandruff," Pope said

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    Mark Pope returned to Denver's injured list last week and said he didn't like the explanation of tendinitis. He asked the team to say it was a hip replacement. "I was really pushing for something interesting, like chronic dandruff," Pope said.


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    A New York minute: The Knicks come out of the All-Star break four games under .500, and you know what that means: They're talking championship in New York. Two definitions of a dynasty: The first is when a family in China rules for hundreds of years. The other is when a New York team wins three games in a row.

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    There is talk they'll include Jamaal Tinsley in a package. :censor:

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    But the question is, did the Knicks move too soon? The Hawks, trying to cut payroll and rebuild with new ownership coming in, were widely rumored to be eagerly shopping former All-Star Rasheed Wallace, whom they acquired in a trade last week. They reportedly don't want the troublesome Wallace suiting up in Atlanta. While he can be an embarrassment, he is a two-time All-Star, and three years ago he was the best player on a team that came within a jumper of a championship.
    Hate to tell Mr. Smith this but it's also widely rumored that you reportedly can't re-trade a player for 60 days if he was reportedly traded in more than a one-for-one deal and also if his team is rumored to be over the salary cap, both of which happen to be rumored to reportedly apply in this case.

    Is it widely rumored that Sam Smith reportedly doesn't know what he's rumored to be talking about?
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    "No one had any idea that Brad was going to be the kind of passer he turned out to be," Carril said. "There's an intelligence about his passing that goes beyond what we could have realized."
    I knew something Pete Carril didn't know!!!

    Seriously, just go back and watch tapes from his days at Purdue. Only time in my life I've ever seen a point-center.
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    Hate to tell Mr. Smith this but it's also widely rumored that you reportedly can't re-trade a player for 60 days if he was reportedly traded in more than a one-for-one deal and also if his team is rumored to be over the salary cap, both of which happen to be rumored to reportedly apply in this case.

    Is it widely rumored that Sam Smith reportedly doesn't know what he's rumored to be talking about?
    Usually I'm first in line to discredit Sam Smith, but:

    -snip-Wallace is a versatile big man, a scorer who could be a major influence on a team in the Eastern Conference. The Knicks, sources say, were one of five teams pushing to deal for Wallace, along with the Rockets, Spurs, Mavericks and 76ers, who are trying to save their season and would like to get in the hunt for Wallace, a Philadelphia native. A league loophole allows him to be dealt again this season.
    I'm not sure what this loophole is but if several teams are trying to deal for him there must be some loophole that is *at least* open to interpretation?
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
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    I'm not sure what this loophole is but if several teams are trying to deal for him there must be some loophole that is *at least* open to interpretation?
    Unless Smith is totally out of the ballpark. The statement regarding trades is pretty clear and without a lot of interpretation from what I can see.

    It may be that since Wallace signed his current deal before the CBA went into effect he could be traded but that seems like an odd thing to be grandfathering in.
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    I'm not sure what this loophole is but if several teams are trying to deal for him there must be some loophole that is *at least* open to interpretation?
    Unless Smith is totally out of the ballpark. The statement regarding trades is pretty clear and without a lot of interpretation from what I can see.

    It may be that since Wallace signed his current deal before the CBA went into effect he could be traded but that seems like an odd thing to be grandfathering in.
    Yep. I'd agree with you, but why would he think *multiple* teams are inquiring about trading for him before the deadline, which would obviously be within the sixty days. I'm wondering if there is an loophole for players with expiring contracts? I've been too busy to try to look this up.
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
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    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#84

    Teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

    - For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This two-month restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap.

    ...

    There seems to be a lot of confusion about the first bullet item above. A lot of media mistakenly report that a player cannot be re-traded for two months under any circumstances, even by himself. This is not true -- Danny Manning's trade from Phoenix to Orlando, and soon thereafter to Milwaukee is one example of the correct application of this trade rule. Other media reports confuse the sign-and-trade rule with this one, claiming that the player can be re-traded within 48 hours or after 60 days, but not in between.

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