Does your explaination mean I should expect losses the next 2 games due to player fatigue and their daily rountines messed up as well?
Why don't we call it what it was... a poorly played game and quit looking for excuses to justify the loss.
This team has no clue how to run a fast break. Hill had the ball on a 3-4 to 1 fastbreak, and I knew he wouldn't give it up. This is the 8 mil PG who is suppose to be spreading the ball around and helping others be better players. Sorry, but 4 asts a game doesn't cut it for me from a starting PG. There are reserve PG's averaging more asts than Hill in less PT. I watch games where Paul gets more asts than Hill does. I want more at PG than a scoring PG who likes to shoot 3's and plays average "D". I like Hill's toughness, but it doesn't make up for his liabilites as a PG. I'm not saying I don't like him as a player for the Pacers, but not as the starting PG for the Pacers..
My main thought on the game have to do with our supporting players scoring. How can guys like Lance play 40 minutes and only have two points? I understand what he does for ball movement and such but that is beyond ridiculous. West and PG put up adequate pt totals to win put Lance and most of the bench did not imo.
Personally I don't think Vogels wing system is dependent on a strong facilitating PG. All your wing plays need to have a mix of passing, shooting and driving. Bird did not bring Hill in to run an offense, he brought him in, and I quote, "..for his incredible length." Go watch his press conference after the trade. He was brought in to lock down opposing PGs, which he hasn't done lately, but I have seen him hassle them on a consistent bases.
Quick point guards and quick forwards that can shoot the mid range jumper is a real weakness in this team. Dwest struggles keeping up with them on defense but it really causes him to start gasping on offense. Personally I would put Ian on him, hopefully his quickness and length bothers them (something Quinn and I agree on).
"There is a time to play and a time to win. It is what you do during winning time that differentiates the average players from stars."
Lance played 40mins in a 20pt loss, and had a -4 +/-. I'm not sure why he's the focus here.
EDIT: Yes, I understand the limitations of the stat.
Last edited by Since86; 01-24-2013 at 03:00 PM.
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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
I was making an observation based on my own experiences of being active at different times of the day. When you're messing with sleeping times, travel, and exercise, that can be a pretty big swing even if it may seem it's an easy switch. As I felt when I posted it, I don't feel like that caused us to lose by 20 points, but I do think it affected our team's ability to react on defense.
I hear that! It was a 4-on-1 fast break. The same kind DC refused to give the ball up on last year and the year before. Makes me wonder if it's the players or the coach. Lance is the only guy who looks for other guys on the break or cutting to the basket, which is part of why we're probably (I'm throwing this out here without any research) dead last in the NBA in alley oops, despite having some high flyers in George, Green and Mahinmi (and Plumlee, not that he plays).
With that said, Hill has still been solid. His biggest problem is he's always hurt, sick or recovering from being hurt or sick. I think the break will help him a lot. Not worried about his assists so much, because PG is probably going to be over 4 APG by the end of the season, so the system is allowing for other guys to make plays.
First of all, it appears he has gained a lot of Vogel's trust. I see Lance extremely focused on the defensive end and being the person on the team most willing to make the easy pass, the quick pass, the simple pass that provides no accolades. DJ and Hill don't seem to be willing to make this pass.
On offense, Lance seems to be the last person to get the ball on the perimeter to initiate the offense. First, it's Hill and Paul. Then it's DJ, even when Lance is playing with him. And when OJ was in there, Hill came his way to run plays more than to Lance's side.
I'm not saying it's a grudge against Lance (although it might be), but it also seems Lance has lost a little initiative in trying to get the ball on the perimeter to initiate the offense. He's focused on defense and getting guys the ball--primarily Paul and West, and giving guys like DJ great looks on the perimeter. And this attitude seems to be earning him large amounts of minutes.
I almost wonder if Vogel has been telling him his time will come when Danny starts again and Lance will be called upon to initiate a lot of offense for the second unit. Until then, Lance is content to play a role that fans don't notice but coaches appreciate.
Last edited by McKeyFan; 01-24-2013 at 08:41 PM.
lance is a lot faster then i thought, he needs to sprint up court a lot more when he gets the ball after the rebound or outlet, every time he did it last game it really caused problems for the blazers
Question - when do you get to have "reasons" for losing instead of "excuses"?
Is it just that anything other than "we sucked" is an excuse?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
I was thinking that it's more of an advantage of every western team when the east visits. I think it contributes to the west having a good record against the east in general.
I'm not mentioning anything. I really don't know; it's an honest question. I appreciated McKeyfan's post. If you've got thoughts to bring to the table, then go for it.
I didn't see the game, but to see a guy play so many more minutes than usual, I'd expect to see from the stats that he was killing it. It doesn't look like Lance was killing it. So why refuse to take him off the floor?
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