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    With the 2012-13 season at the halfway mark, SI.com's NBA writers make their picks for the league's top performers. The MVP and Coach of the Year races have produced the most disagreement at the top, while clear favorites have emerged for Rookie of the Year, Sixth Man Award, Defensive Player of the Year and Most Improved Player. Read on for all of the selections. (All stats and records are through Jan. 22.)

    NBA Midseason Awards
    MVP


    Paul Top 5
    Chris Paul
    Kevin Durant
    LeBron James
    Tim Duncan
    Carmelo Anthony
    Ian Thomsen
    No leaders have squeezed more out of their teams than Paul and Durant. Paul has transformed the Clippers, while Durant has kept the Thunder focused on winning the championship despite the stunning trade of James Harden. I still think James is going to win this award for the fourth time in five years, based on the likelihood that Miami will peak over the second half. Duncan, at age 36, has been the most effective and important big man in the NBA. Next leadership assignment for Anthony: Coax All-Star production from Amar'e Stoudemire.

    Paul Top 5
    Chris Paul
    LeBron James
    Kevin Durant
    Carmelo Anthony
    Tim Duncan
    Lee Jenkins
    Thirty-six players score more points per game than Paul, but none makes a bigger impact on his team. The Clippers have morphed from the laughingstock of the NBA to the envy of the league and their stunning transformation began the moment they acquired Paul. He has remade the entire franchise, at times appearing as a de facto coach and general manager, along with leader and finisher. He is logging the fewest minutes of his career, but making them count, ranking second in assists and first in steals and creating an environment where no fewer than 10 capable teammates sacrifice for the Clips' cause.

    Durant Top 5
    Kevin Durant
    LeBron James
    Chris Paul
    Zach Randolph
    Carmelo Anthony
    Chris Mannix
    Putting aside the numbers -- and they're up in virtually every statistical category -- Durant's biggest achievement this season has been keeping the Thunder at the top of the Western Conference despite Harden's absence. It's no slight on LeBron, who is having another, well, LeBron-like season. But Durant's superior play -- he's on pace for the coveted season of shooting 50 percent from the floor, 40 percent from three-point range and 90 percent from the free-throw line -- and that the Thunder are on top of a much tougher conference gives KD the edge.

    Durant Top 5
    Kevin Durant
    LeBron James
    Chris Paul
    Carmelo Anthony
    Tim Duncan
    Ben Golliver
    Durant and James have turned in A-plus seasons, but the separating factor in this neck-and-neck race has been the Thunder's league-best start. Oklahoma City is in the middle of one of the most statistically dominant seasons of the last decade, thanks to the No. 1 offense in the league and a much-improved defense that has joined the league's elite. Durant's stats (29.5 points, 7.5 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 1.2 blocks) are pure silliness, and his shooting numbers are borderline incomprehensible. He's a threat to join the rare 50/40/90 club even though he's on pace to take more than 1,600 shots, and he's already challenging Kobe Bryant for the "best scorer since Jordan" title. This isn't the same man who lost to the Heat last June.

    James Top 5
    LeBron James
    Kevin Durant
    Chris Paul
    Carmelo Anthony
    Kobe Bryant
    Rob Mahoney
    It's to the tremendous credit of the field that this is even a conversation, but let's not kid ourselves: LeBron James is still the best basketball player on the planet, and he's in the midst of another do-no-wrong regular season. He leads the league in Player Efficiency Rating while keeping the best team in the East (and a presumptive title favorite, warts and all) on course. His effective field-goal percentage (58.6) is a career best, thanks largely to significant improvements in his perimeter shooting. He's an all-world defender, one of the best playmakers in the league and a score-at-will threat. One could cobble together a case for another candidate, but James' comprehensive résumé speaks rather decisively for itself.



    Rookie of the Year


    Lillard Top 3
    Damian Lillard
    Anthony Davis
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    Ian Thomsen
    Lillard has been a revelation while driving the surprising Trail Blazers into playoff contention. All of a sudden LaMarcus Aldridge has a fellow star to help him lead the Blazers into post-Greg Oden/Brandon Roy contention. Lillard and New Orleans' Davis are the two instant stars of this class, and they may yet engage in a terrific ROY race as long as Davis stays healthy. Charlotte's Kidd-Gilchrist has been the steadiest (and hardest-working player) of the other rookies, with a ready-made talent for producing across the board.

    Lillard Top 3
    Damian Lillard
    Anthony Davis
    Andre Drummond
    Lee Jenkins
    This race will get closer, as Davis distances himself from the ankle injury that hampered his first half, but it will be hard to catch Lillard. Most rookie point guards are tantalizing in some areas, terrible in others, but after four years at Weber State, Lillard has few holes in his offensive game. He is rejuvenating the Blazers by scoring like a lead guard, setting up Aldridge on pick-and-rolls and sinking the late-game shots that so many rookies are reluctant to take.

    Lillard Top 3
    Damian Lillard
    Bradley Beal
    Dion Waiters
    Chris Mannix
    How many writers desperately wanted to put Lillard -- a monster scorer in college who was already adept at the pick-and-roll -- at the top of their preseason Rookie of the Year ballot, only to be scared off by the looming presence of Davis? I did. Lillard is a dynamic scoring point guard with the savvy under pressure that belies his experience. The Wizards have a very good player in Beal, but this award is Lillard's to lose.

    Lillard Top 3
    Damian Lillard
    Anthony Davis
    Andre Drummond
    Ben Golliver
    Lillard hasn't been perfect, but he's been very productive and, most important, he's played a lot more than his top competition. He is averaging 38.5 minutes and has started all 41 of Portland's games; Davis has missed 13 games because of injury and Drummond inexplicably has played fewer than 20 minutes a night. Lillard has made the most of his giant opportunity, keeping Portland near .500 while asserting himself late in games and running an offense that ranks in the league's top half. His defense leaves much to be desired, and he'll need to get to the free-throw line more often, but he's exceeded all reasonable expectations this season.

    Lillard Top 3
    Damian Lillard
    Anthony Davis
    Andre Drummond
    Rob Mahoney
    An open-and-shut case in a year of close calls. Lillard's emergence is the biggest reason why the Blazers' record is dramatically better than expected, and his offensive game is every bit as good as advertised. What's most striking about Lillard is how comfortable he is in almost any given situation; he thrives against double teams, against the clock, going left, going right, at the rim and from the perimeter. His scoring instincts are incredibly sophisticated for a rookie guard, and though his defense can be disastrous at times, that's to be expected from a first-year player adapting to the NBA game.



    Sixth Man Award


    Crawford Top 3
    Jamal Crawford
    J.R. Smith
    Manu Ginobili
    Ian Thomsen
    The Clippers' Crawford and the Knicks' Smith are engaged in a strong two-man race, as each has been crucial to his team's rise in the conference standings. Crawford gets the edge because he is the better playmaker and provides more reliable leadership, even though Smith has been producing his steadiest season to date. Ginobili's recent hamstring injury threatens to drop him out of contention, which would enable Jarrett Jack (Warriors), Kevin Martin (Thunder), Andre Miller (Nuggets) and Ray Allen (Heat) to move up the ranks.

    Crawford Top 3
    Jamal Crawford
    J.R. Smith
    Kevin Martin
    Lee Jenkins
    Last year, Paul and Blake Griffin were worn down by the Western Conference semifinals, giving the Clippers the impetus to build their bench. They courted Crawford, who was coming off his worst season in almost a decade, and he has been on a hot streak ever since. Among the best one-on-one players in the NBA, Crawford provides instant offense, and he makes the Clippers' second unit as prolific as some starting fives. It's not uncommon to see the Clips' reserves close games while the starters stand and cheer.

    Crawford Top 3
    Jamal Crawford
    Kevin Martin
    J.R. Smith
    Chris Mannix
    If Crawford had been a sixth man his whole career, we might be talking about one of the best ever. He's uniquely suited for the role, with the size, scoring and ball-handling skills, along with an ability to play two positions, and he is now the leader of the NBA's best bench. Martin has eased concerns about the loss of Harden, while a more mature Smith has become a go-to guy in New York.

    Martin Top 3
    Kevin Martin
    Jarrett Jack
    J.R. Smith
    Ben Golliver
    How do you prefer your bench production? Flashy like Crawford? Up and down (with some huge ups) like Smith? Steady and heady like Jack? I'll go with the (relatively) vanilla and uber-efficient Martin, who is averaging 15 points in his first season with the Thunder. Martin uses just 10 shots a game to get his points and he's shooting 43.5 percent from deep, an essential task given the Thunder's need to keep the floor spaced for Durant and Russell Westbrook. Oklahoma City undoubtedly puts its players in a position to succeed better than just about any other franchise, but Martin's smooth transition after an unexpected trade by the Rockets is worthy of individual recognition.

    Jack Top 3
    Jarrett Jack
    Jamal Crawford
    J.R. Smith
    Rob Mahoney
    Any of the top candidates would make for a worthy winner. Jack is my preference, largely because he brings impressive production to a role of high importance. He anchors the second unit, sure, but the Warriors trust Jack to initiate the offense at the most vital moments, even, at times, moving Stephen Curry off the ball alongside Jack. The 29-year-old Jack comes off the bench, but he's far more than a sub or a spot scorer; he's the player the Warriors turn to when they're in need of stability, and Jack's incredible success in that capacity should more than validate his placement at the top of these rankings.



    Coach of the Year


    Thibodeau Top 3
    Tom Thibodeau
    Mark Jackson
    Frank Vogel

    Ian Thomsen
    Despite a weakened bench, Thibodeau has kept Chicago in contention while waiting for the return of Derrick Rose. Jackson has positioned the surprising Warriors (minus Andrew Bogut) to earn a playoff spot for just the second time in 19 years. When Vogel's Pacers struggled to score in the absence of Danny Granger, he turned them into the league's best defensive team while liberating Paul George to become a star. I could name at least 10 other coaches who deserve consideration, but the ballot limits me to just these three.

    Brooks Top 3
    Scott Brooks
    Frank Vogel
    Vinny Del Negro

    Lee Jenkins
    There's no way a team can benefit from trading James Harden, but the Thunder have arguably been better without their third star. First, Brooks guided a young locker room past the disappointment of losing part of its core. Then, he successfully ingratiated Kevin Martin into the bench role previously occupied by Harden. And now, the Thunder looks as potent as ever, with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook growing into better all-around players and Serge Ibaka emerging as a more effective scorer.

    Woodson Top 3
    Mike Woodson
    Mark Jackson
    Scott Brooks

    Chris Mannix
    Woodson has tailored an effective offense around Anthony and a bunch of three-point shooters, developed J.R. Smith like no other coach has and instilled a defensive mindset into a group of largely weak defenders. Credit Jackson for turning the Andrew Bogut-less Warriors into a solid defensive team, too, while the even-keeled Brooks survived a seismic roster-altering trade without missing a beat.

    Woodson Top 3
    Mike Woodson
    Gregg Popovich
    Frank Vogel

    Ben Golliver
    Here's a partial list of Woodson's qualifications: 1. The 25-14 Knicks are leading their division and have dramatically exceeded preseason expectations. 2. He's gotten the most out of his best player, Carmelo Anthony, and constructed an offense around him that currently ranks No. 3 in the NBA. 3. He's flawlessly navigated a touchy situation by shifting Anthony's position and moving Stoudemire to the bench. 4. He's tapped into the good side of J.R. Smith and maximized his potential. 5. He's created a culture of unselfishness, with help from Jason Kidd, that has produced some of the best ball movement in the league. What more do you want?

    Jackson Top 3
    Mark Jackson
    Frank Vogel
    Terry Stotts

    Rob Mahoney
    There wasn't anything special or unique about Jackon's first year at the helm in Golden State, but since then, with the time to hone his strategy and the training camp and practices necessary to get his team on message, he's pulled off one of the more surprising feats in the NBA. The Warriors were pegged for defensive improvement once Andrew Bogut returned to the court, but Jackson's team didn't bother waiting -- they currently rank 12th in the league in points allowed per possession, up from 27th last year without any noteworthy defensive additions. I credit Jackson and his staff, who have been clever and adaptable in making the most out of limited defensive resources.

    Defensive Player of the Year


    Ibaka Top 3
    Serge Ibaka
    Joakim Noah
    Tony Allen

    Ian Thomsen
    Ibaka blocks shots and rotates to cover all types of threats for one of the league's top defensive units -- and he does so at a level that has helped lead the Thunder to one NBA Finals and positioned them to reach another this June. Noah has anchored the Bulls' defense in the absence of Rose and other important pieces. Allen is the league's best perimeter defender and, considering that the league's best players operate closer to the three-point line than the paint, he could win the award if he played more minutes.

    Noah Top 3
    Joakim Noah
    Tony Allen
    Andre Iguodala

    Lee Jenkins
    The Bulls perennially rank in the top three in opposing field goal percentage and it can't just be because Tom Thibodeau is smarter than everybody else. Thibodeau has the luxury of a few defenders who are above average and one who is exceptional. Noah is the prototypical big man for the pick-and-roll era, long and active, quick enough to harass guards and scramble back to recover against centers. Even without Derrick Rose, the Bulls are within striking distance in the East, thanks to all of Noah's dirty work.

    Noah Top 3
    Joakim Noah
    Larry Sanders
    Chris Paul

    Chris Mannix
    Tom Thibodeau deserves credit for his defensive system but it's Noah, like Kevin Garnett in Boston, that is the lynchpin of the defense. This season, Noah is averaging a career-best in blocks (2.1) while contesting countless other shots on Chicago's No. 3 ranked defense. Sanders has kept Milwaukee in the middle of the pack defensively despite a pair of average defending guards, while Paul has emerged as a physical defender at the point guard spot.

    Noah Top 3
    Joakim Noah
    Paul George
    Serge Ibaka

    Ben Golliver
    The NBA's three best defenses -- Indiana, Memphis and Chicago -- boast a number of excellent individual defenders, making this a very difficult choice. Noah seems to combine the best of his fellow defensive difference-makers. He plays huge minutes like Paul George and Luol Deng, he protects the paint like Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert and he plays with endless energy like Tony Allen. The departure of Omer Asik has pushed Noah's playing time up to more than 38 minutes per game, and he's responded by averaging 12.2 points, 10.7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2.1 blocks and 1.3 steals. That the Bulls have remained near the top of the Central after losing several rotation pieces and playing the entire first half of the season without Derrick Rose only underscores Noah's impact.

    Noah Top 3
    Joakim Noah
    Kevin Garnett
    Marc Gasol

    Rob Mahoney
    This be the most difficult award race of all, with defensive impact almost impossible to divorce from team imperatives and teammate performance. Noah seems a fitting choice, though, as the agent of action in Tom Thibodeau's vaunted schemes. Maybe Noah wouldn't be quite as formidable without the benefit of this system, but the same could be said of Thibodeau's clever defensive framework. Noah is the kind of piece that makes the entire defense work, and that has smoothed the learning curve for the Bulls' new arrivals to the point that Chicago has maintained its standing as one of the top defenses in the league.

    Most Improved Player


    Paul George
    Serge Ibaka
    Greivis Vasquez
    Ian Thomsen

    George has emerged as a star at both ends of the floor -- and the transformation has happened throughout this season, driven by the Pacers need to replace the production of Danny Granger. After a 10-11 start, they're back in contention because of their 22-year-old wing man. The Thunder have overcome the loss of Harden because Ibaka has turned into a knockdown midrange shooter while continuing to build on his strengths defensively. Vasquez has almost doubled his assists to 9.2 per game (third-best in the NBA) while extending his three-point range and producing huge gains in points and rebounds.

    Paul George
    Jrue Holiday
    J.J. Hickson

    Lee Jenkins
    Holiday has taken the bigger leap statistically, with massive improvement in almost every major category, inching him toward the point guard elite. But George has kept the Pacers near the top of the Eastern Conference despite a horrendous start and an injury to Danny Granger that threatened to derail them. Not only has George become a more consistent scorer and rebounder, he sets the tone for the Pacers top-ranked defense, smothering many of the league's transcendent wings.

    Paul George
    J.J. Hickson
    Omer Asik

    Indiana was in trouble when Danny Granger went down. That is until George, 22, morphed into a go-to scorer. There were flashes of this emergence last season but George -- an improved defender to boot -- has exceeded expectations. Hickson has been a surprise double-double machine in Portland, while Asik has added a little offense to his already strong defense and rebounding.

    Blatche Top 3
    Andray Blatche
    Jrue Holiday
    Larry Sanders

    Ben Golliver
    Last season, Blatche was sent home by the Wizards, one of the worst teams in the NBA, because he was out of shape. Over the summer, he was released by those same Wizards using the amnesty clause because he was, presumably, not worth working back into shape. He then waited, and waited, for the phone to ring, before working out with John Lucas to rehabilitate his body, his game and -- most importantly -- his image. The Nets finally threw him a lifeline. How did he respond? By averaging 11 points and 5.9 rebounds in 20.3 minutes and posting a 23.44 PER that currently ranks No. 8 in the league. Yes, Blatche is an unorthodox candidate because he tanked his own career before resuscitating it, but how can a player possibly improve more than this? Unfortunately, his embarrassing off-court decision-making has not shown similar progress.

    Kevin Durant
    Greivis Vasquez
    Andray Blatche
    Hear me out. Improvement in the NBA is often assumed to be a linear progression, but it's really almost logarithmic. Once the production starts to pile up, it gets harder and harder for good players to become great, and great players to become legendary. Yet Durant has managed to climb that slope with an incredible ease, and is shockingly close to LeBron James at the NBA's summit. James Harden's departure has been a complete non-issue for Oklahoma City, in part because Durant has become so much more comfortable as a ball-handler. His court awareness has dramatically improved, and he's begun to make the kinds of next-level passes reserved only for elite playmakers. His individual and team defense are both better than ever, and his specific chemistry with his teammates on that end has also improved. All of this on top of a famed 50-40-90 season and a 29.15 PER. Even if we expected Durant to be this good eventually, no one could have reasonably expected him to make these kinds of improvements in a single bound.
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    Cracked me up: PG's picture on the webpage with "Sixth Man of the Year" award above it... Haha.

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    So does Ben Golliver think that "improving" means "getting in shape?" Using the rationale that Blatche deserves it, because he got himself into shape is funny.

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    I hope George doesn't win MIP. Whenever a player wins MIP he gets injured, starts sucking or gets traded. I don't want either of that to happen. MIP award is cursed
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    So does Ben Golliver think that "improving" means "getting in shape?" Using the rationale that Blatche deserves it, because he got himself into shape is funny.
    Blatche as a most improved is ridiculous. How is Jrue Holiday not on everyone's list? Give me a break.
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    Cracked me up: PG's picture on the webpage with "Sixth Man of the Year" award above it... Haha.

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    I agree with the idea that the MIP is cursed. I really hope he just gets the all star bid and a few looks at DPoY. I don't remember the last time the MIP went on to a good career.

    Edit: I just looked up the recipients of the award and while I was surprised by some of the big names but even them never panned out as they could or did catch a bad case of the injury bug.
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    I agree with the idea that the MIP is cursed. I really hope he just gets the all star bid and a few looks at DPoY. I don't remember the last time the MIP went on to a good career.
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    Danny Granger, Kevin Love, Zach Randolph.
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    Danny Granger, Kevin Love, Zach Randolph.
    Z-Bo Got MIP @ 03-04. During 04-05 he got injured and started in only 37 games. When he was back healthy during 05-06 all his numbers dropped, especially his FG% (from 48.5% to 43.6% - As a power forward..). He also played for 4 different teams since the moment he won MIP till today.

    Danny Granger: Went from being an extremely efficient volume scorer to a somewhat efficient "should be 2nd option" type of player. The year following the MIP year he also had that plantar fasciitis thing.

    JO: Struggled with injuries that crippled his career which dropped his numbers & made him play on about 5 different teams

    Other than Granger, all these guys got traded more than once, suffered injuries and had a drop in their numbers. And these are the GOOD cases of MIP. Most of the other guys aren't even starters in the league anymore. As for Love? He's shooting 35% from the field this season and is injured right now... MIP curse getting to him as well.

    For me, the MIP will always be the "Player who got really nice numbers but isn't a real star" award.
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    He's my most improved player award winner right now
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    PG is a lock for most improved. For one simple reason: Ryan Anderson as a member of the magic won last year. Oddly enough, every year a player from Orlando wins it, a pacer wins it the next year (cept '91 when Scotty Skiles won it).

    1999 Darrell Armstrong
    2000 Jalen Rose
    2001 Tracy McGrady
    2002 Jermaine O'Neal
    2008 Hedo Turkeglu
    2009 Danny Granger
    2012 Ryan Anderson
    2013 Paul George????
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    Can't complain with the Noah love for DPOY, as that man is a beast. Not another center I'd rather have in the league than Noah. But if George doesn't make 1st team all defense this year, that'd be an absolute shame.

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    I don't agree with the idea of PG being most improved. He's seizing his potential and coming into his own. I'd prefer a guy who works his *** off and changes his career for the better in an observable way rather than naming the guy who non-fans have finally heard of or a guy who gets a bunch of new minutes.

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    Roy not even considered for DPOY ? Are you kidding me?

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    Roy not even considered for DPOY ? Are you kidding me?
    I think most realize that George is the driving force behind our defense. Currently, there isn't a better wing defender in the league. That will likely change when LeBron decides to play both ends in the postseason, but at this moment George is #1 in my books.

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    I think most realize that George is the driving force behind our defense. Currently, there isn't a better wing defender in the league. That will likely change when LeBron decides to play both ends in the postseason, but at this moment George is #1 in my books.
    Someone like Tony Allen is still better in my book as wing defender, but his focus is mainly on playing defense while George also has to score a lot for this team. When more experienced, no doubt he could be the best one day.

    Hibbert is one of the best defending the paint. Defending farther away from the basket, he just isn't any good, to say it in a polite way.

    Also great to see Vogel being mentioned several times. That means they know he is doing a really good job with the pieces that are healthy now and that Grangers scoring is very important to this roster.

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    I think most realize that George is the driving force behind our defense. Currently, there isn't a better wing defender in the league. That will likely change when LeBron decides to play both ends in the postseason, but at this moment George is #1 in my books.
    Doesn't mean Roy shouldn't be in the conversation. Wing defense doesn't somehow translate to guarding the rim, and Roy is contributing there significantly.
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    I couldn't help but laugh at the guy that voted for Durant. I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think a superstar that got slightly more superstar-ish should even be thought of in that respect.


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    I think most realize that George is the driving force behind our defense. Currently, there isn't a better wing defender in the league. That will likely change when LeBron decides to play both ends in the postseason, but at this moment George is #1 in my books.
    George has been great defensively but I think Hibbert is still the lynchpin that has made our defense outstanding.
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    George has been great defensively but I think Hibbert is still the lynchpin that has made our defense outstanding.
    I don't really think you could take either away and the defense would be anywhere close to as good, but I do think you have a better chance without George than you do without Hibbert.

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    I don't really think you could take either away and the defense would be anywhere close to as good, but I do think you have a better chance without George than you do without Hibbert.
    Here's the reason I agree with this - if you are missing a paint defender, the perimeter is exposed unless they can perfectly prevent dribble penetration. If you have a solid paint defender but your perimeter defense is imperfect, the paint defender can help and stop some of the easy baskets coming off penetration.

    Sure, jump shooting could still beat you from time to time, but ultimately you are defending the highest percentage shot.
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    Z-Bo Got MIP @ 03-04. During 04-05 he got injured and started in only 37 games. When he was back healthy during 05-06 all his numbers dropped, especially his FG% (from 48.5% to 43.6% - As a power forward..). He also played for 4 different teams since the moment he won MIP till today.

    Danny Granger: Went from being an extremely efficient volume scorer to a somewhat efficient "should be 2nd option" type of player. The year following the MIP year he also had that plantar fasciitis thing.

    JO: Struggled with injuries that crippled his career which dropped his numbers & made him play on about 5 different teams

    Other than Granger, all these guys got traded more than once, suffered injuries and had a drop in their numbers. And these are the GOOD cases of MIP. Most of the other guys aren't even starters in the league anymore. As for Love? He's shooting 35% from the field this season and is injured right now... MIP curse getting to him as well.

    For me, the MIP will always be the "Player who got really nice numbers but isn't a real star" award.
    I was mostly answering MrHand's question of players who went on to have good careers. My definition of a good career is someone who managed to stay in the league for a relatively long time and had above-average numbers (So I think we differ in how we define "good").
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