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    I wanted to get your opinions on something regarding Mike Wells as the Pacer's beat writer. Last night near the end of the game when it was obvious we would get a L, Wells tweeted out something to the effect of that even though Portland had lost 6 straight, the arena was still packed and it wouldn't be that way at all at the fieldhouse if the Pacers were in the same boat. While I admit this is unfortunately true, it struck a nerve with me. I tweeted back that he should stick to reporting about the Pacers, maybe be a little bit more of a homer, and if he liked Portland and their fans so much he could move there and I would gladly take his gig here.

    Well he didn't like that, and he responded that I would be too much of a homer myself if I was a beat writer and no one would like that and that he has to be objective as a journalist. I reminded him that Lamey is a huge homer but people still like listening to him, but that wasn't the point. I don't care if Wells is a homer or not, and of course he has to be objective, I just took offense to him calling out Pacer fans when he's the local beat writer and his target audience with his tweet were mostly loyal fans staying up late on a weeknight to watch our team.

    Wells then tweeted out that "I just didn't get it, please help him out," and of course all the Wells fanboys on Twitter have been sending me tweets last night and today how I'm an idiot and that Wells has to be objective and not a homer blah blah blah all the while missing the initial point that I thought Wells should be spending his time reporting on the Pacers and not giving his opinions on the fan base.

    I'm definitly making a bigger issue out of this than it really is, but I also thought it was bush league for him to call out his Twitter followers to "set me straight," and I just wanted to get some thoughts from you guys on here because I respect many of your opinions. So what do you think? Does Wells do a good job? Does this bother you at all? Am I too EMO??

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    Portland has the best fans in basketball, I dont find what Wells says as offensive and I cant see why anyone would.

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    Wells was there - I think he should be allowed to note his observations. I don't see an issue with it.
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    I hate both of you.


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    I wouldn't sweat it too much, it's just his opinion and that only matters as much as you let it.

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    It's not that Well's quote is wrong, it's just misleading. While it's true, the Fieldhouse would be empty, the cause has to do with competition. There is no competition in Oregon other than the University of Oregon. Meanwhile the affections of the residents of Indiana must compete with football teams like the Indianapolis Colts and Notre Dame Fighting Irish; and basketball teams like the Butler Bulldogs (ranked), Indiana Hoosiers (ranked), Purdue Boilermakers (ranked), and Notre Dame Fighting Irish (ranked).

    Indiana is saturated with excellent sports teams. This is rarely discussed in sports media. By comparison, Oregon is anemic. Mike Well told the truth, but not the whole truth.

    In conclusion, Oregon sucks.

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    P.S. Vancover is across the border, I am certain that Vancover is the host of many Blazers fans.

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    I don't see any issue with his comments. It does show the danger of twitter. I'm sure even Wells would recognize that the Pacers have more competition. But yeah the Blazers have a more loyal fan base than us, but there are a lot of reasons for that.

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    Does Wells do a good job? Does this bother you at all? Am I too EMO??
    No. Not really. Yes.
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    P.S. Vancover is across the border, I am certain that Vancover is the host of many Blazers fans.
    You do do know that you have to drive through the entire state of Washington to get to Vancouver right?
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    You do do know that you have to drive through the entire state of Washington to get to Vancouver right?
    It is under 300 miles. I know season ticket holders who drive 100 miles to a Pacers game, and I know people who attend multiple Colts games from Knoxville. The point is, I'm sure there are Seattle and Vancover exiles who attend Blazer games.

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    It is under 300 miles. I know season ticket holders who drive 100 miles to a Pacers game, and I know people who attend multiple Colts games from Knoxville. The point is, I'm sure there are Seattle and Vancover exiles who attend Blazer games.
    I'm sure a Wednesday night game against the Pacers was packed with people who had traveled 3 and 5 hours each way to get the opportunity to see it.
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    P.S. Vancover is across the border, I am certain that Vancover is the host of many Blazers fans.
    You totally meant Vancouver, WA, right

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    Of course there aren't thousands in attendance, but there are certainly many. The point I made was there is NO REGIONAL COMPETITION. Therefore there are people in the region who will drive a great distance to attend a game. Assuming that most fans attend from the Portland area, I am sure that there are many more who attend from THE REGION providing them an astounding 94.6% attendance - especially since there is no competition. If you really think that everyone who attends a Pacer game, and is a season ticket holder for that matter, lives within 20 miles of Pennsylvania Street you are mistaken.

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    You totally meant Vancouver, WA, right
    Flaming. No, clearly you can't contemplate what a geographical region means to a sports economy.

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    Of course there aren't thousands in attendance, but there are certainly many. The point I made was there is NO REGIONAL COMPETITION. Therefore there are people in the region who will drive a great distance to attend a game. Assuming that most fans attend from the Portland area, I am sure that there are many more who attend from THE REGION providing them an astounding 94.6% attendance - especially since there is no competition. If you really think that everyone who attends a Pacer game, and is a season ticket holder for that matter, lives within 20 miles of Pennsylvania Street you are mistaken.
    I don't think that every Pacer attendee lives within 20 miles of Pennsylvania St. But I also don't think a large contingent lives within 20 miles of the state of Pennsylvania. Because that is basically what your claiming by saying Vancouver is a major contributor to their fanbase.
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    It was a joke. Vancouver WA is literally across the border.

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    As someone who drove from Portland to Vancouver, BC/Seattle this past summer. I can tell you that there are probably very few Blazers fans dedicated enough to do that for every game. It's much more likely that many Vancouver basketball fans were Sonics fans. That drive would be a ***** and a half to make to go see a basketball game in the winter.

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    I'll pay attention to writers like Mike W. or Bob Kravitz discussing attendance when they start paying for their own ticket.
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    By TIM BOOTHAP Sports Writer
    PORTLAND, Ore.(AP) — Sarah Mensah couldn’t help but notice one
    handmade sign that appeared recently among the sea of placards
    and posters that fans display at Portland Trail Blazers’ home
    games.
    “Converted Sonics fans down from Seattle,” it said.
    Its message was clear to Mensah, Portland’s senior vice
    president and chief marketing officer. While the Blazers are
    “for Oregon and about Oregonians,” as she says, there is a
    potential fan base three hours up the road that the team would
    be foolish to overlook.
    The once vibrant SuperSonics-Blazers rivalry that divided
    basketball loyalties in the Pacific Northwest disappeared when
    the Sonics moved before the 2008 season and became the Oklahoma
    City Thunder. The professional basketball vacuum left in Seattle
    has created a business opportunity the Portland franchise can’t
    ignore.
    “When the Portland Trail Blazers have relevance beyond Portland
    and Oregon it’s something the entire community can share in from
    a pride factor,” Mensah said.
    Problem is, nearly two years after the Sonics’ messy departure,
    Seattle fans are still bitter toward the NBA.
    That has Trail Blazers management considering how to navigate a
    minefield laced with betrayal and distrust to reach into a metro
    area of more than 3 million people with a rich basketball
    history, possible business partnerships never before tapped by a
    Portland franchise and connections to players on the Blazers, as
    well as their coach.
    “You just keep your ear to the track. It’s still pretty fresh in
    people’s minds and some residual disappointment and anger about
    what happened,” said Tod Leiweke, who sits on the Blazers’ board
    of directors while serving as CEO of the Seattle Seahawks. “If
    it was a clean slate, you’d come up and barnstorm.”
    The lingering hurt is why all overtures into the Seattle market
    are measured and subtle. Portland also realizes that not long
    ago, their own fan base teetered on revolt when the team was
    nicknamed the “Jail Blazers” for their off-court transgressions.
    “It was one of the healthiest and brand-strong franchises in
    professional sports and it had nearly disintegrated,” said Paul
    Swangard, managing director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing
    Center at the University of Oregon. “There is plenty for case
    study on how it all occurred. They’ve made enormous strides in
    the last few years. The fact there is local ownership as it
    relates to the Seattle market for a franchise in Portland, it
    stands to reason if done correctly you could get people (in
    Seattle) to care.”
    The Blazers’ management believes the biggest part of making that
    connection is exposure.
    The Blazers received NBA permission to take over broadcast
    rights that the Sonics previously held, stretching to the
    Canadian border and east into Montana and Idaho.
    Portland games that are not on national television are shown in
    the Seattle market either on Comcast Sports Northwest or on a
    secondary channel in a deal with Seattle’s NBC affiliate. By
    next year the Blazers are optimistic they will have a radio
    affiliate in Seattle.
    For now, that’s as overt as the Blazers plan on being with
    Seattle.
    “I think the biggest thing is when you go, Seattle has to be
    willing to accept and (be) ready for it,” Blazers head coach
    Nate McMillan said. “And now, I personally don’t think you make
    that move.”
    That’s why the Blazers scrapped plans for an exhibition game in
    Seattle before the start of this season. When word leaked, the
    backlash was harsh.
    More than most, McMillan understands that sting left behind in
    Seattle and the unique dynamic the Blazers face. He is still
    considered “Mr. Sonic” after 12 years as a player and another
    five as head coach with Seattle before jumping south to Portland
    after the 2005 season.
    McMillan has learned about the connection between the team that
    was once his most bitter rival and its city and state.
    “It’s different here than it was in Seattle, where the fan base
    here is all about the Blazers. And I knew that when I was in
    Seattle. We would play Portland and they would have just as many
    fans as we do at games. It was almost like a cult,” McMillan
    said. “Rip City, that is the identity of who this team is.”
    McMillan, All-Star guard Brandon Roy and budding young swingman
    Martell Webster add another layer to the Seattle-Portland
    dynamic. Roy was an All-American at Washington and Webster was a
    high school star at Seattle Prep before going straight to the
    NBA.
    Webster is already seeing the Blazers make inroads in his
    hometown. He hears from friends wanting to make the three-hour
    drive for games – if tickets are available. Portland is nearing
    100 straight sellouts
    .
    “I think we’re an icon in the Northwest, a big-time icon,”
    Webster said. “People enjoy the way we play, people enjoy the
    way we carry ourselves off the court. What more can you ask
    for?”
    Barring a deep run in the playoffs that could captivate the
    entire region, this will be a slow process. The Blazers’
    groundwork is in its infancy. Some in Seattle still hope the NBA
    will return if a new arena is ever built, but it’s doubtful in
    the current political climate.
    Until then, the Blazers will try to fill the void.
    “When you say Seattle it doesn’t seem right that it doesn’t have
    a franchise, an NBA basketball team. … It’s been there all
    this time and now there’s no NBA. That’s crazy,” Webster said.
    “We just want to bring this back there and put a smile on their

    face. But scars take time to heal.”
    This is the point: sports region. It's not about the exclusiveness of Vancouver, but from the region in between. Yes. I am saying that the Blazers have fans from Portland to Vancouver. That is a massive area from which to draw. Meanwhile, the Pacers do not have fans as far as South Bend and Fort Wayne who are dominated by the Chicago sports market. Contemplate what this means and realize, that Portland is not the greatest basketball city in the world, though it may be among the best markets via the law of supply and demand.

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    It is under 300 miles. I know season ticket holders who drive 100 miles to a Pacers game, and I know people who attend multiple Colts games from Knoxville. The point is, I'm sure there are Seattle and Vancover exiles who attend Blazer games.
    I drove 3 and a half hours one way.... And can't imagine someone driving round trip as a season ticket holder, especially if they were to work the next day. Game time ends around 930 by the time u hit the road it's 10-1030 and a 3 and a half hour drive back is brutal at that time. But you are correct there are people who do come down for games that are within that distance.

    But most of it is the fact that there is no other pro team like the blazers in town. Plus it wasn't sold out moreso 3-4 full but I have no experience with the field house to compare that. :-)

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    I guess your theory will be tested next season. I think Portland will still show a similar draw even with the Sonics return.

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    many of us fly half way around the world to come see a pacer game, and we don't count, geo -area for a nba team is 75 miles (by law) and if you want to tell me I am not a real fan I will ban your behind just to make a point!
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    many of us fly half way around the world to come see a pacer game, and we don't count, geo -area for a nba team is 75 miles (by law) and if you want to tell me I am not a real fan I will ban your behind just to make a point!
    I don't think anyway was saying that. Heck if anyone is actually making the drive from Vancouver BC to Portland for 41 games a year than they are more of a fan than me or even for multiple games a year.

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