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  • #61
    Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

    You guys sure are angry about him saying that he wanted to be the best for our team and win us championships.
    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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    • #62
      Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

      JO has his fair share of mistakes in the Pacers organization, but I think we should give him more respect than what he's getting here. Sure, he had those empty promises of coming back great injury after injury, or his body started to break down after getting a monster contract, but all before that he was the best player of the Pacers in that era, and one of the best in the league as a whole. He was just a tier below Duncan and KG at their peak. And he was one of the truly homegrown talents we had (he was a "bust" in Portland before coming to the Pacers).
      Last edited by 15th parallel; 01-23-2013, 01:03 AM.

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      • #63
        Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

        Let me apologize to the Jermaine O'Neal fan base. I really try to avoid talking about him & often times I fail but I will try harder.

        I just have no use for what he did here behind the scenes and his online twitter statement this evening about it not being his job are just to much for me to read.

        So in honor of our departed brother ABA Days I think it's best in this conversation that I just go this route.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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        • #64
          Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Who was # 3 in MVP voting two season ago? How about 4 seasons ago? Don't know, neither do I because nobody cares but people who continually want to throw up the fact that J.O. was so good that he was almost the MVP but fail to state how many votes separated one, two & three.

          Here is one that I do happen to know though, who was 3rd in MVP voting the year before J.O. was 3rd in voting? This one I do know, it was Peja with the Kings.

          Now knowing that he was 3rd in MVP voting does that really make you all that confident that 3rd place voting for MVP means anything? It doesn't to me.
          I find it fitting that your 11,000th post was downplaying the career of Jermaine O'neal.
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          • #65
            Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

            Now he's saying he had a health scare. Sheesh.

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            • #66
              Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

              No knock on JO, but he became a burden to this franchise pretty much the instant he signed that big contract. Its only natural to have some disdain for that.

              Anthony Johnson had that great playoff series against the nets. What happens that offseason, we get rid of him and his 3 million salary to save money. Or was it because JO felt like he wasn't getting the ball often enough, as he openly stated.

              Hes not leading the team well, so we make a series of bad trades, one to get him his buddy Al Harrington, as we assume he can work with him. The team is still stagnant because JOs leadership skills are fine, other than they are non existent.

              He was a power forward that averaged 43 % from the field more often than not for this team.

              And frankly personally I feel, the year of the brawl. He came back and destroyed the team chemistry we had built up. His black hole offense doomed us. We had a chance to avenge our loss the previous year and defeat the Pistons. But he came back and a team that had made their way to the postseason by working together and moved the ball instantly went back to him jacking up a shot and having to run back on defense because god forbid he pass the ball.


              He would have been great as a second fiddle, but the Pacers don't have the money to pay second fiddles the max. Same reason we are upset about Hibberts offensive struggles this year. We were expecting a force on both sides of the ball. Granted Hibbert won't be remembered with such disdain because hes a class act off the court, and he hasn't acted as arrogant in regards to the team as JO did.

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              • #67
                Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                No knock on JO, but he became a burden to this franchise pretty much the instant he signed that big contract. Its only natural to have some disdain for that.

                Anthony Johnson had that great playoff series against the nets. What happens that offseason, we get rid of him and his 3 million salary to save money. Or was it because JO felt like he wasn't getting the ball often enough, as he openly stated.

                Hes not leading the team well, so we make a series of bad trades, one to get him his buddy Al Harrington, as we assume he can work with him. The team is still stagnant because JOs leadership skills are fine, other than they are non existent.

                He was a power forward that averaged 43 % from the field more often than not for this team.

                And frankly personally I feel, the year of the brawl. He came back and destroyed the team chemistry we had built up. His black hole offense doomed us. We had a chance to avenge our loss the previous year and defeat the Pistons. But he came back and a team that had made their way to the postseason by working together and moved the ball instantly went back to him jacking up a shot and having to run back on defense because god forbid he pass the ball.


                He would have been great as a second fiddle, but the Pacers don't have the money to pay second fiddles the max. Same reason we are upset about Hibberts offensive struggles this year. We were expecting a force on both sides of the ball. Granted Hibbert won't be remembered with such disdain because hes a class act off the court, and he hasn't acted as arrogant in regards to the team as JO did.

                Totally agree and people wondering why I think he was over-rated. It's his selfish basketball and refusing to see that he is not a 17 foot fade away shooter. He thought he was a Superstar a la Lebron but he just wasn't. Very good player but nowhere near the all time greats of the league.

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                • #68
                  Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                  I didn't realize until today that Gentry was replaced by some player development guy who had just been brought in a few months ago and had never coached a game of basketball at any level in his entire life.

                  I can't say I'd be excited to play under those circumstances. What a mess.
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                  • #69
                    Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                    Originally posted by BillS View Post
                    JO: "What the f**k is my role here?"

                    Blanks: "I don't know - who the f**k are you again?"
                    "I'm the dude that's about a week away from being an elite player again, that's who I am!"


                    This is just a few weeks after JO was talking about how satisfied he was in PHX, how he was enjoying just playing the sport for the love of it, not chasing rings, etc. It's shocking how much he's made me sour on him, a guy I used to defend strongly against other Pacer fan's criticisms.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                      Originally posted by cgg View Post
                      2 seasons ago was LeBron James. 4 seasons ago was Dwyane Wade.


                      The year before JO, Kobe was 3rd.
                      Which proves it means nothing! Ha ha, you fell into Peck's logic trap you fool.



                      Not that the Peja angle made it look bad either since that dude was THE shooting ace in the league at the time and not in the "stand in the corner and wait" kinda way. More in the "Bird-like" scoring machine way.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        JO has also been in the league since 1996 while West has only been in it since 2003. Years played plays a major factor in your health. West would also look fried if he were in his 17th season.
                        JO logged NCAA levels of PT his 4 years in Portland. He wasn't even a bust, he was a high school kid they didn't need right away because they had a crazy deep frontline.

                        They were fools to give up on him when they did because he DID NOT IMPROVE his Per36 that first year in Indy (not dramatically at least), he simply played more minutes.

                        Regardless, JO's playing time with Portland (458, 808, 310 due to lockout, 859 = 2435) is LESS than West's playing time at Xavier (970, 978, 1094, 1168 = 4210). West played 126 games, JO played 210. So in terms of travel he had more of it, but he was sitting A LOT more per game than West was.

                        West has 20491 NBA minutes played, JO has 25951. But that includes all of JO's post-HS minutes. If you add in West's Xavier minutes then he's just behind JO at 24701, which is about half an NBA season worth of play. JO has had injury issues, but West had his own very serious injury which he just recovered from.

                        And yet at TJoe points out, even JO of 2-3 years ago didn't look at good as West does right now. And on top of that we've never heard West talk a bunch of nonsense about his own pending domination and we'd all be shocked if a story came out where West was ripping into Vogel or Shaw in an office someplace. Contrast that with JO making news for at least the 2nd time in his career thanks to an over-the-top shouting match with a team authority figure (coach, GM, whatever).
                        Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-23-2013, 03:07 AM.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                          Jeff Sagarin said JO was not all that important of a player... but we maxed him anyway because you just can't let a computer make decisions like that. I wish we would have listened to the computer...
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                            It's like a bad girlfriend that keeps hanging around, and you forget about what made her "bad" and just remember all the good times you had together.

                            Pass. Pass. Pass.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              What exactly would JO do around here? Show off his suits? He's not playing over Mahinmi.
                              Give him Tyler's minutes. In fact, I'd try to do a trade 1-for-1 if I could.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Suns GM and centerJO engaged in a loud, expletive-laced confrontation

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                "I'm the dude that's about a week away from being an elite player again, that's who I am!"


                                This is just a few weeks after JO was talking about how satisfied he was in PHX, how he was enjoying just playing the sport for the love of it, not chasing rings, etc. It's shocking how much he's made me sour on him, a guy I used to defend strongly against other Pacer fan's criticisms.
                                Imagine - JO saying one thing to the media while the truth is something entirely different.

                                BTW, he surely is ready to "dominate the paint" once more with the fantastic medical staff of the Suns, right?

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