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  • #16
    Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

    Let's bring in Jim Caldwell.

    /cry
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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    • #17
      Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

      I could see Arians wanting Christensen in Arizona. It may come down to where Christensen wants to be.

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      • #18
        Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

        Well... I hear Tom Moore is looking for an OC job...
        Never half-a** two things. Whole-a** one thing.

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        • #19
          Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

          Stopped watching that video after Schefter called him a superb play caller.

          Seriously...well done to him for getting the job. He deserved it after this season and wish him all the best. I guess though he wanted any job which opposes to what was reported the past few days.
          Never forget

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          • #20
            Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

            Congrats to coach Arians. I loved his fire and intensity on the sidelines. He'll definitely be a shot in the arm for that Arizona franchise.

            As for the colts, I wouldn't mind Marty Mornhinweg or Cam Cameron.

            I really hope we get a coach who looks to utilize the TE and RB's more. I love the aggressive, down the field approach, but I'd like to see a little more diversity within our offense next year as Luck grows into the position.

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            • #21
              Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
              Congrats to coach Arians. I loved his fire and intensity on the sidelines. He'll definitely be a shot in the arm for that Arizona franchise.

              As for the colts, I wouldn't mind Marty Mornhinweg or Cam Cameron.

              I really hope we get a coach who looks to utilize the TE and RB's more. I love the aggressive, down the field approach, but I'd like to see a little more diversity within our offense next year as Luck grows into the position.
              I agree with you about utilizing the TE sets. I want to do what NE does with Gronk and Hernandez. Now I realize that Allen and Flener aren't yet anywhere near as good as those two guys, but they looked fine as rookies, especially Allen. They have a lot of potential. Flener just needs to stay healthy and I think he'll be fine. He's 6'6. Dallas Clark was 6'3 for comparison.

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              • #22
                Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                I'm worried our offense will fall apart like the Steelers when Arians left them.

                That's just a false statement. BTW, congrats to Bruce. One does need to separate his play calling issues from the quality of person he seems to be.

                But back to this...

                Here's one of the Week #9 previews, before we beat the Giants to move to 6-3:
                Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers offense have begun to stabilize over the past three weeks. In their past three games, the Steelers have averaged 24.6 points per game and moved the ball with ease. Because of injuries to Rashard Mendenhall and Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer has got the starting nod at running back for the Steelers. Dwyer has run with purpose and power on his way to 229 rushing yards (6.7 YPC) over the past two weeks. It has been Dwyer along with key offensive line replacements Mike Adams and Ramon Foster, as well as fullback Will Johnson leading the way for the Steelers renewed rushing attack. The Steelers need to stay committed to the ground game and keep the ball away from the Giants and their potent offense. Todd Haley will continue to use a short, intermediate passing game to control the clock and keep Ben Roethlisberger clean. Through seven games, the Steelers have protected Roethlisberger better than at any time in his history with the team. At this point, Ben is only being sacked once every 20.6 drop backs. This number is improved from once every 14.2 drop backs last season and in Roethlisberger’s first eight seasons he has averaged being sacked once every 12.3 drop backs. The Steelers offensive line will face their toughest test yet in pass protection against the Giants star defensive lineman Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul and Osi Umenyoira. Roethlisberger must be efficient versus the Giants ball-hawking secondary and be smart with the football.

                After the game, ESPN added the following blurbs about our offense:

                Ben Roethlisberger entered Week 9 leading the league in QBR (97.3) and completions (51) on third down this season. Roethlisberger was stellar again Sunday, completing 8-of-9 to six different receivers, while keeping his passes short (2.3-yard average pass length) and on-target.

                and...


                Isaac Redman rushed for 147 yards on 26 carries against the Giants Sunday, all of which came between the tackles. His 90 yards after contact on those carries are the second-most in a game by any player this season and the 26 attempts between the tackles are the most by a Steelers running back since Week 12 of 2010 when Rashard Mendenhall had 30 such carries against the Bills.


                So what happened in Week #10? Oh yeah, Big Ben took a hit that dislocated a rib over his heart, putting him both at a high medical risk and in a lot of pain. Under Leftwich and Batch, and then a clearly-not-100% Ben, our offense stunk and we lost five of our next six. Not sure you should blame that on a change in coordinators.

                But I'm always happy to think of 8-8 seasons as being complete disasters. Its time for our front office to complete the current rebuild - the youth movement is well underway but its time for those new guys to start paying dividends.

                Back to your team, obviously the selection of the right OC is important, but that Luck kid has been so well coached for so long that I wouldn't worry too much about a regression. He's a gamer, and that is way more important than the technical throwing stuff.


                = = = = = = = = = =

                Is Ray Horton staying in AZ? He and Bruce were close, and I can see Bruce trying to raid the Steelers coaching staff. Wouldn't be surprised if Kirby Wilson might be on his short list.

                We may still be able to call them "Steelers West" even after firing Wiz, who couldn't do anything with a lousy roster and tough schedule.

                Back on 9/16, this exchange took place on the Non-Colts thread:

                Originally posted by Jay
                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                As for the NFC West being weak well the Cardinals are also undefeated as well as the Niners right now.
                True, but its pretty easy to see them potentially going 3-11 over the rest of the season, too. 5-11 ought be good for third in the division, maybe battling St. Louis for second in the division.
                Now I completely underestimated Seattle's emergence, but even after they started 4-0 I still thought 5-11 looked about right for that roster and that schedule. Not really sure what Wiz was supposed to do differently?
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #23
                  Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                  Originally posted by CompACE View Post
                  Well... I hear Tom Moore is looking for an OC job...
                  I would love Tom Moore, but i don't want Luck to have to learn a new offense
                  Smothered Chicken!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post

                    Now I completely underestimated Seattle's emergence, but even after they started 4-0 I still thought 5-11 looked about right for that roster and that schedule. Not really sure what Wiz was supposed to do differently?
                    Yeah, you can't win in this league if you have a poor O-Line and crappy quarterback play. Surely their GM was fired. They have a good defense and defense is certainly crucial, but SF and Seattle also have great defenses. The difference is that those two teams also have competent offensive play.

                    Whisenhunt was probably a victim of his own success. The bar was raised high when Warner caught second wind and led them to a hair away from winning the Super Bowl. But Warner inevitably got old and retired and there was no solid rebuilding plan.

                    I'm glad for Arians that he gets this well-deserved opportunity, but he sure has his work cut out for him. That is all of the sudden a brutal division. SF and Seattle are deadly, and even St. Louis went 7-8-1 this year. I think it will be a miracle if Arizona doesn't finish dead last again.
                    Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-18-2013, 03:27 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                      I do not want Christensen to be promoted. The play calling in the playoff game was a disaster.

                      Anyway, Bruce will always have a special place in Colts lore in Indianapolis after this season. I wish him all the luck in the world, I wish he had gone to a better franchise though.


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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        I do not want Christensen to be promoted. The play calling in the playoff game was a disaster.

                        Anyway, Bruce will always have a special place in Colts lore in Indianapolis after this season. I wish him all the luck in the world, I wish he had gone to a better franchise though.

                        I'm sure he does too. I was hoping for his sake that he would get the Chicago job, even though I can't stand that team.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                          Mort reported that Pep Hamilton, Stanford's offensive coordinator, is a leading candidate for the job. That would be my favorite hire.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                            Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of this from the Pittsburgh beat writer's blog:

                            --- Only Arizona could fire its Pittsburgh West coach, Ken Whisenhunt, and remain Pittsburgh West by hiring Bruce Arians. He may not have to go outside to hire much of his staff since he’s worked with many of them in place now, including his two coordinators, Ray Horton and Plum native Mike Miller.
                            --- The Steelers defense has been among the NFL’s best on a consistent basis for more than 40 years, yet their offensive coordinators are the ones who keep becoming head coaches around the league. The list includes Mike Mularkey, Ken Whisenhunt, Bruce Arians and Chan Gailey over the past 15 years. The only defensive coordinator during that time who went directly to a head coaching job was Jim Haslett, although Dick LeBeau did become Cincinnati’s head coach after leaving the Steelers to become the Bengals’ defensive coordinator. Even those great defenses from the 1970s never spawned a head coach. Tony Dungy, the Steelers defensive coordinator in the middle of the 1980s, ultimately became a head coach but not directly.

                            (May be behind a password firewall, don't remember how that part of their site works...)

                            http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/i...khan-will-stay
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #29
                              Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                              Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of this from the Pittsburgh beat writer's blog:

                              --- Only Arizona could fire its Pittsburgh West coach, Ken Whisenhunt, and remain Pittsburgh West by hiring Bruce Arians. He may not have to go outside to hire much of his staff since he’s worked with many of them in place now, including his two coordinators, Ray Horton and Plum native Mike Miller.
                              --- The Steelers defense has been among the NFL’s best on a consistent basis for more than 40 years, yet their offensive coordinators are the ones who keep becoming head coaches around the league. The list includes Mike Mularkey, Ken Whisenhunt, Bruce Arians and Chan Gailey over the past 15 years. The only defensive coordinator during that time who went directly to a head coaching job was Jim Haslett, although Dick LeBeau did become Cincinnati’s head coach after leaving the Steelers to become the Bengals’ defensive coordinator. Even those great defenses from the 1970s never spawned a head coach. Tony Dungy, the Steelers defensive coordinator in the middle of the 1980s, ultimately became a head coach but not directly.

                              (May be behind a password firewall, don't remember how that part of their site works...)

                              http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/i...khan-will-stay
                              It's interesting that so many of Pitt's offensive guys get scooped up. But he uses "past 15 years" as the benchmark, so it would be impossible to have a large number of Pitt D Coordinators taking positions given that Dick Lebeau has been the DC since 2004.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Cardinals hire Arians as head coach

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                It's interesting that so many of Pitt's offensive guys get scooped up. But he uses "past 15 years" as the benchmark, so it would be impossible to have a large number of Pitt D Coordinators taking positions given that Dick Lebeau has been the DC since 2004.
                                Good catch.

                                LeBeau, 2004 - as long as he wants it
                                Tim Lewis, 2000-2003
                                Jim Haslett, 97-99 as mentioned
                                LeBeau, 95-96, eventually the Bengals HC but not directly.
                                Dom Capers, 92-94... Ed missed this one. When he, Bill and Dick were done perfecting the Zone Blitz, he left to be the Panthers HC.
                                Dave Brazil (who? Noll's last DC) 90-91. Not a good team or good defense.
                                Rod Rust, 89... Ed missed this one. Left Pittsburgh to lead NE to a 1-15 record in 1990, fired after 1 season. Then they drafted Bledsoe, right? Probably selective memory, given the 1-15 fiasco.
                                Dungy, 84-88, then he left Noll to be KC's defensive backfield coach. Was he fired? Who does that?
                                Woody Widenhofer, 79-84, left to be HC of the USFL's Oklahoma franchise. Does that count?
                                George Perles, 78, then promoted to Assistant Head Coach through 82. Left to be the HC of Philadelphia's USFL franchise, contract dispute, then Michigan St.
                                Bud Carson, 73-77, eventually became HC of the Browns a decade later.
                                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                                And life itself, rushing over me
                                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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