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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #76
    Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

    Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
    You don't understand the game of basketball... at all.
    Coming from the guy who doesn't believe in the wing position.

    CJ's entire last year he's spent angrily posting about the definition of positions. While rejecting what every great basketball mind in the country says. And I don't understand basketball??? Considering I'm on the same side as every basketball coach in the country, than I'm either right or every coach in the country doesn't understand basketball. lol

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    • #77
      Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

      Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
      Hahaha, you are a trip. It's pretty easy to compare Danny Granger from 2011-2012 to Paul George in 2012-2013. By almost any measure, they are basically exactly the same.

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ngda01&y2=2012

      Let's examine what is statistically signifcant in mattie's world.

      A true shooting percentage difference of 2% in Granger's favor? The beginning of the argument, and the end. Granger is clearly the better scorer.

      The fact that Paul George has a higher FG%, higher eFG%, and is essentially equal to Granger in any measure of efficiency besides FT%? Completely irrelevant.

      That 7% difference in FT% is what creates the 2% difference in TS%. That's the only thing that matters here. Like I said, it isn't just clear. It's crystal.
      So I'm curious, if they're basically the same statistically (which it's crazy how similar they are minus FTA) why should Paul have such a higher usage rate than Danny upon DG's return? Is it b/c Paul is a better/more willing passer? I could see that POV, but I still feel it'd be in the teams best interest to have their usage be equal while maintaining the high post option of D.West. I don't think Danny should essentially become a spectator offensively, I feel it's a disservice to one of our best (if not our best) offensive producer.

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      • #78
        Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
        So I'm curious, if they're basically the same statistically (which it's crazy how similar they are minus FTA) why should Paul have such a higher usage rate than Danny upon DG's return? Is it b/c Paul is a better/more willing passer? I could see that POV, but I still feel it'd be in the teams best interest to have their usage be equal while maintaining the high post option of D.West. I don't think Danny should essentially become a spectator offensively, I feel it's a disservice to one of our best (if not our best) offensive producer.
        Because Danny Granger is not Paul George, PG is the future and Danny is not.
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        • #79
          Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
          So I'm curious, if they're basically the same statistically (which it's crazy how similar they are minus FTA) why should Paul have such a higher usage rate than Danny upon DG's return? Is it b/c Paul is a better/more willing passer? I could see that POV, but I still feel it'd be in the teams best interest to have their usage be equal while maintaining the high post option of D.West. I don't think Danny should essentially become a spectator offensively, I feel it's a disservice to one of our best (if not our best) offensive producer.
          Saying he should reduce his usage rate from 25% to 20% doesn't mean I want him to be a "spectator." Far from it. Right now West's usage rate is at 25%. I think that should, and will come down a bit with Granger's return.

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          • #80
            Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Because Danny Granger is not Paul George, PG is the future and Danny is not.
            True. But a Usage% of about 20 normally is reserved for individuals that are the 3rd, sometimes even 4th option within a lineup. Danny is a better scorer than that.

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            • #81
              Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
              True. But a Usage% of about 20 normally is reserved for individuals that are the 3rd, sometimes even 4th option within a lineup. Danny is a better scorer than that.
              If he isn't willing to be the 3rd and sometimes 4th option in our starting lineup, then he needs to come off the bench.

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              • #82
                Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                True. But a Usage% of about 20 normally is reserved for individuals that are the 3rd, sometimes even 4th option within a lineup. Danny is a better scorer than that.
                At this point IF Danny is healthy enough and comes back to play like he was doing last year(not so good) I think that he should be the Pacers 3rd option in the starting unit, my thing is that I don't want to see him taking shots from Paul George if he is going to be jacking up shots like he was doing last year.

                Overall IF he is healthy he is going to be a huge plus I just hope that Paul George doesn't become the rookie Paul George if Danny comes back.
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                • #83
                  Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Overall IF he is healthy he is going to be a huge plus I just hope that Paul George doesn't become the rookie Paul George if Danny comes back.
                  My opinion... Based off interviews with PG... that is not the plan... Now as to what will actually happen we will have to wait and see... But I am optimistic he won't revert...
                  Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    At this point IF Danny is healthy enough and comes back to play like he was doing last year(not so good) I think that he should be the Pacers 3rd option in the starting unit, my thing is that I don't want to see him taking shots from Paul George if he is going to be jacking up shots like he was doing last year.

                    Overall IF he is healthy he is going to be a huge plus I just hope that Paul George doesn't become the rookie Paul George if Danny comes back.

                    Jacking up? He averaged 15 FGA a game last year. That's not a lot for a perimeter scorer at all.

                    If Danny is Danny we saw post AS Break (after his early season slump but before his knee injury where he avg: 19ppg, 45% shooting, 41% from 3, 90% from FT line), then I'd want him as my 1A scoring option (w/ PG) from the perimeter AND high post (w/ D.West), depending on matchups and who's got it going. If he's somehow limited in any way, then I can see him being relegated to a 3rd option who spreads the floor for the other guys.


                    Ultimately I think Hill's FGA (12.5/gm) should come down, as should D. West (15.4) whereas Danny should get between 13-15 so that PG can maintain his offensive aggression.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                      Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                      Jacking up? He averaged 15 FGA a game last year. That's not a lot for a perimeter scorer at all.

                      If Danny is Danny we saw post AS Break (after his early season slump but before his knee injury where he avg: 19ppg, 45% shooting, 41% from 3, 90% from FT line), then I'd want him as my 1A scoring option (w/ PG) from the perimeter AND high post (w/ D.West), depending on matchups and who's got it going. If he's somehow limited in any way, then I can see him being relegated to a 3rd option who spreads the floor for the other guys.


                      Ultimately I think Hill's FGA (12.5/gm) should come down, as should D. West (15.4) whereas Danny should get between 13-15 so that PG can maintain his offensive aggression.
                      Oh yes he was jacking up some crazy s*** last year reason why his percentage was low, I remember that Danny was good for like a month, I said that Danny was playing at a super star level and that I wouldn't trade him(at that time) for anybody, I don't believe we are going to see that guy ever again(I hope I'm wrong).
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                      • #86
                        Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                        Hahaha, you are a trip. It's pretty easy to compare Danny Granger from 2011-2012 to Paul George in 2012-2013. By almost any measure, they are basically exactly the same.
                        We're gonna be a LOT better, then. Take our current team on offense, and add another Paul George? YES PLEASE.

                        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                        I was referring to him giving full effort on defense.
                        Ok, so we all agree that Danny has always taken whatever role the coaching staff told him to take, and that we're not especially worried about anybody's ego? Good.

                        As for the defense, I'll agree that his defense suffered for several seasons, but I thought it picked up very well last year (in large part because Vogel was really challenging him to step up in that area). Even during his early-season shooting slump, lots of people were saying "Well his shot is off, but at least he's defending at a really high level this year." I expect his defense to be rusty to start (and as he's getting his knee into shape), but until we get more info I'm not particularly concerned about his defensive effort.
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                        • #87
                          Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          Oh yes he was jacking up some crazy s*** last year reason why his percentage was low, I remember that Danny was good for like a month, I said that Danny was playing at a super star level and that I wouldn't trade him(at that time) for anybody, I don't believe we are going to see that guy ever again(I hope I'm wrong).
                          He played well for a good 3 months, with a great final month of the season. But with you saying this, about Danny nonetheless I'll simply agree with you and say I hope you're wrong about never seeing that guy again. If we get THAT DG, or even 80% of it, PLUS the new PG then we've got a shot to do damage

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                          • #88
                            Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                            I'm not sure I really understand. The offense needs increased scoring. Danny has been one of our better scorers aside from his beginning of season slumps. So, you want to make him the THIRD option so that PG can "continue to grow".

                            I, on the other hand, want to win some ballgames, not prepare to put Granger out to pasture.

                            If you really think PG and DG getting equal time is somehow going to stunt Paul's growth, you need to try to figure out just how teams with multiple young players manage to grow them at the same time. This idea that the only way a guy can grow is to:

                            - get playing time, and then once he gets playing time
                            - get major playing time, and then
                            - start, and then
                            - be the #1 option

                            and anything that DOESN'T lead to that last situation somehow stunts a guy's growth is ridiculous. That'd pretty much mean you should have one good player on a team and everyone else should be bench guys (who hopefully are past their prime otherwise their growth is being stunted).

                            See how guys fit together and use them to the best advantage of the TEAM, not punish a guy who has been the #1 option and is coming back from injury by saying a young player needs to continue learning. If PG is doing better than DG, he should get the minutes and be the option. If not, you don't force it.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #89
                              Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                              Originally posted by BillS View Post
                              I'm not sure I really understand. The offense needs increased scoring. Danny has been one of our better scorers aside from his beginning of season slumps. So, you want to make him the THIRD option so that PG can "continue to grow".

                              I, on the other hand, want to win some ballgames, not prepare to put Granger out to pasture.

                              If you really think PG and DG getting equal time is somehow going to stunt Paul's growth, you need to try to figure out just how teams with multiple young players manage to grow them at the same time. This idea that the only way a guy can grow is to:

                              - get playing time, and then once he gets playing time
                              - get major playing time, and then
                              - start, and then
                              - be the #1 option

                              and anything that DOESN'T lead to that last situation somehow stunts a guy's growth is ridiculous. That'd pretty much mean you should have one good player on a team and everyone else should be bench guys (who hopefully are past their prime otherwise their growth is being stunted).

                              See how guys fit together and use them to the best advantage of the TEAM, not punish a guy who has been the #1 option and is coming back from injury by saying a young player needs to continue learning. If PG is doing better than DG, he should get the minutes and be the option. If not, you don't force it.
                              I don't think that Paul George "needs to continue learning" or that Danny back "is going to stop his grow" my point is that Paul George is the man right now and as the man he should be the one with the ball in his hands must of the time, removing the ball from Paul George to give it to Danny could be a huge mistake in my opinion, not only for the now but for the future.

                              And also as Reggie said "Paul George is the new face of the Pacers", we all need to get used to that.
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                              • #90
                                Re: Granger to begin practicing soon?

                                I think Paul keeping the ball more benefits Danny, look at how many good looks Green gets and doesn't hit. Now put Danny taking those shots.


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