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Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

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  • #31
    Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

    There is another element of this story: The post game family & friends meet-and-greet.

    Through work, I had the opportunity to meet a few of the players on the Spurs. When I was on vacation in New Orleans, the Spurs happened to be in town. One of the players hooked me up with a pair of tickets and passes to the meet-and-greet. I am assuming this was the same thing that the OP attended (in the basement near a loading dock)?

    Anyway, the two players I met previously were nice, and we talked for awhile. However, Antonio McDyess barely acknowledged me. More on this in a second.

    I was able to do this a second time in a weird way. I went to the Pacers-Knicks game with tickets I bought from a scalper. I ended up sitting right next to David Lee's dad. We talked about basketball all game, and he gave me two passes for the friends & family meet-and-greet after the game. My wife and I went... and it was supremely awkward. David Lee gave us a smile and a handshake, but nothing else. Why? Because we weren't anyone's friends and family.

    That is my larger point. These things aren't meant to be public events. They are designed to give the road team who, with shoot-arounds and film sessions and trainer sessions and warm ups and the game itself, don't really have much time to hang out with their friends and family who live/are near a town on the road before they hop on the bus and head to the airport. It is supposed to be a "Hey Mom, love you, good to see you" and a "Charlie! What's going on, my man!" sort of thing, not a "R-R-Roy... Y-you are my biggest - I mean I am your biggest fan!" kind of thing.

    Personally, I think it is a bit unfair to judge a player's personality based on that. Back to the McDyess thing... I didn't read much into it. I said hi, he said hi, nothing weird about that. If Antonio was a non-famous stranger, I wouldn't have thought about it twice. If I was a huge fan of him or the Spurs, I might have been hurt. But I wasn't, and I saw it for what it was.

    Anyway, I wasn't there for your Roy experience, so I won't tell you that you are right or wrong. I just thought those experiences would shed a bit of context into the situation.

    One final thought - I am in Area 55, and Roy Hibbert is the ****. He is super nice, very friendly, and fun to be around. He takes the time to remember everyone's name. Can't say enough about the dude. I would recommend taking that experience, throwing it away as an outlier, and enjoying the awesome, charismatic team leader we are lucky to have right now.
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    • #32
      Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

      Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
      ....staring off into the sea of his adoring fans at Bobcat stadium, while barely acknowledging her!
      It is funny you should mention this behavior. I don't know that they are looking at "adoring fans", but I just mentioned to some people last night that many players seem to do everything to not look at the person interviewing them. Can't really figure out why, but I can say this - I would much rather look at Brooke than look off into the stands or wherever they are looking. I mean that respectfully to Brooke, by the way.

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      • #33
        Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        The only thing I have seen in interviews is him not being comfortable at all, and wanting to get out of the interview ASAP.

        Then again, until about a year ago I didn't realize my quiet demeanor made people think that I thought I was better than them. I don't understand why, but oh well.
        I moved to Colorado for a semester my junior year of highschool... I found out three months in that people thought I was stuck up for being quiet... But it was due to me being shy and uncomfortable in my setting... I've seen this misassumption about people many times since then...
        Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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        • #34
          Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

          Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
          There is another element of this story: The post game family & friends meet-and-greet.

          Through work, I had the opportunity to meet a few of the players on the Spurs. When I was on vacation in New Orleans, the Spurs happened to be in town. One of the players hooked me up with a pair of tickets and passes to the meet-and-greet. I am assuming this was the same thing that the OP attended (in the basement near a loading dock)?

          Anyway, the two players I met previously were nice, and we talked for awhile. However, Antonio McDyess barely acknowledged me. More on this in a second.

          I was able to do this a second time in a weird way. I went to the Pacers-Knicks game with tickets I bought from a scalper. I ended up sitting right next to David Lee's dad. We talked about basketball all game, and he gave me two passes for the friends & family meet-and-greet after the game. My wife and I went... and it was supremely awkward. David Lee gave us a smile and a handshake, but nothing else. Why? Because we weren't anyone's friends and family.

          That is my larger point. These things aren't meant to be public events. They are designed to give the road team who, with shoot-arounds and film sessions and trainer sessions and warm ups and the game itself, don't really have much time to hang out with their friends and family who live/are near a town on the road before they hop on the bus and head to the airport. It is supposed to be a "Hey Mom, love you, good to see you" and a "Charlie! What's going on, my man!" sort of thing, not a "R-R-Roy... Y-you are my biggest - I mean I am your biggest fan!" kind of thing.

          Personally, I think it is a bit unfair to judge a player's personality based on that. Back to the McDyess thing... I didn't read much into it. I said hi, he said hi, nothing weird about that. If Antonio was a non-famous stranger, I wouldn't have thought about it twice. If I was a huge fan of him or the Spurs, I might have been hurt. But I wasn't, and I saw it for what it was.

          Anyway, I wasn't there for your Roy experience, so I won't tell you that you are right or wrong. I just thought those experiences would shed a bit of context into the situation.

          One final thought - I am in Area 55, and Roy Hibbert is the ****. He is super nice, very friendly, and fun to be around. He takes the time to remember everyone's name. Can't say enough about the dude. I would recommend taking that experience, throwing it away as an outlier, and enjoying the awesome, charismatic team leader we are lucky to have right now.
          That is really great Flavadave. I hadn't thought about it from that perspective, so that is really nice insight. And yes, that is exactly what it was...

          Again, I'm not trying to crucify Big Roy. Just trying to get some perspective is all.

          We invest money, hours and hair pigment into this team for several hours a night 2-4 nights a week. We get our pre-game and half-time fluff pieces but ,otherwise, no real perspective into who these guys are off-the-court. I am NOT here to say we as "fans" are any more entitled to knowing who they are when they are in their personal element as they are not entitled to knowing about mine. But, they have no interest in walking around with my name on their back, either.

          In my opinion, I should have an idea as to the true character of my children's role models before I shell out 120 bucks for a jersey with their name on it. And no, that doesn't make me an overzealous fanboy. If anything it makes me an overprotective parent.

          Thank you guys for your input and perspective. I knew that I would get some good responses and I did. No thank you to those making the personal attacks on myself. Not very classy.

          Oh, and BTW, if I could have my kids show support for ANYBODY involved with the franchise, a Pacers "Vogel" jersey would be in order. A really cool guy, who obviously brushes his teeth!! Good role model!

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          • #35
            Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

            If we want to dissect Roy the player, by all means we should do so. But Roy the man has shown himself to be a great man of character.

            Remember when Roy was planning on visiting that sick fan of his? I remember hearing how heart broken he was when that sick fan had passed before Roy had a chance to meet him.

            He's also done quite a bit to connect with the local fan base (area 55, random Gangnam style dances, video's, taking fans out to the movies, charity, etc)

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            • #36
              Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

              Originally posted by Tom White View Post
              It is funny you should mention this behavior. I don't know that they are looking at "adoring fans", but I just mentioned to some people last night that many players seem to do everything to not look at the person interviewing them. Can't really figure out why, but I can say this - I would much rather look at Brooke than look off into the stands or wherever they are looking. I mean that respectfully to Brooke, by the way.
              I am sorry I didn't type that in green. I thought that was obvious sarcasm, with regards to Roy. The place was empty and IDK what he is looking at when he does that.

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              • #37
                Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                If anything this thread at least brought to the fore (if that was even needed) how great a person Roy is.

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                • #38
                  Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                  I hope I can add some insight to this post. When Roy was a rookie and first started doing interviews, I noticed that he had slight hesitations or almost a stutter to his speech. As a speech pathologist, I know how difficult it is for some people to talk in public when the words don't flow fluently. If you notice him talking now, he has little fluency problems, but he does look away or talk about something he feels comfortable with when he is in the limelight. In my opinion, he has learned to compensate for his fluency issues. Now I am not saying he has ever been diagnosed with that, but I have been around it enough and worked with people who do have that issue and he is demonstrating coping mechanisms. I give him great credit. Can you imagine having to be in the public and being scrutinized as much as a professional athlete is? Then on top of that, working so hard at NOT letting people know you have fluency issues. It is very difficult to look someone in the eye when that occurs. Again, this is just my two cents worth on my observations! Love Roy Hibbert!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                    Then again, until about a year ago I didn't realize my quiet demeanor made people think that I thought I was better than them. I don't understand why, but oh well.
                    It's weird how that can work. I also can be very quiet in different situations, and I've had people think that I was being arrogant or that I looked angry to them, and it was always just me kind of keeping to myself, feeling shy, or lost in thought, but sometimes people project that kind of thing on you when you're quiet, shy, and/or reserved.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                      Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
                      In my opinion, I should have an idea as to the true character of my children's role models before I shell out 120 bucks for a jersey with their name on it.
                      I think there is your problem. You are too worried about their true character, when you should only worry about the myth. If you want to get into true character no parent would approve of any adult to be their child's role model. Sometimes it is better to keep with the myth that he is the best person ever, while his ugly side is hidden away. Because seeing that good side is more important than knowing of the bad side.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                        Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
                        We invest money, hours and hair pigment into this team for several hours a night 2-4 nights a week. We get our pre-game and half-time fluff pieces but ,otherwise, no real perspective into who these guys are off-the-court. I am NOT here to say we as "fans" are any more entitled to knowing who they are when they are in their personal element as they are not entitled to knowing about mine. But, they have no interest in walking around with my name on their back, either.
                        Meh, I really don't care who these people are or how they talk to their mothers. It's about one thing, basketball. That's what these guys are, basketball players. I buy a jersey that says Pacers on the front of it, so that's where it stays. It's not their job to kiss my butt and make me feel good about it. Just play ball. Win. Trying to justify why or how they should impact their children's lives should be moot, because the parent is the most important role model of them all. Not some athlete.

                        The biggest misconception our society has is commercialization = idolization. Get rid of a brand, what do you have left?


                        In my opinion, I should have an idea as to the true character of my children's role models before I shell out 120 bucks for a jersey with their name on it. And no, that doesn't make me an overzealous fanboy. If anything it makes me an overprotective parent.
                        When did a kid's jersey ever cost $120?
                        Last edited by duke dynamite; 01-16-2013, 01:52 PM.

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                        • #42
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                          • #43
                            Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                            I think there is your problem. You are too worried about their true character, when you should only worry about the myth. If you want to get into true character no parent would approve of any adult to be their child's role model. Sometimes it is better to keep with the myth that he is the best person ever, while his ugly side is hidden away. Because seeing that good side is more important than knowing of the bad side.
                            I see what you are saying Eleazor. But in the world of the internet, social media and Youtube (see Lance Stephenson with whom I love as a player and who appears to be growing from his mistake) there is very little left to myth. I don't believe this to be a perfect science. But, I prefer to do my due diligence as a parent and try to generally err on the side of cautionary.

                            I also believe that there are some GREAT athlete role models, and that is possible to make a mistake, but then mature from it in a very positive and endearing way.

                            There won't be any DeMarcus Cousins, OJ Simpson or even any Suh jerseys being worn at our place.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                              Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                              Meh, I really don't care who these people are or how they talk to their mothers. It's about one thing, basketball. That's what these guys are, basketball players. I buy a jersey that says Pacers on the front of it, so that's where it stays. It's not their job to kiss my butt and make me feel good about it. Just play ball. Win. Trying to justify why or how they should impact their children's lives should be moot, because the parent is the most important role model of them all. Not some athlete.
                              And I appreciate your take. Let me say, I never quit on the PACERS after the Auburn Hills incident. But, I know that a chunk of the Hoosier state still struggles to get back to the fieldhouse. However, many of the PDers did quit on many of that era of Pacer players. Professional Athlete idolization will occur, as is a pretty natural part of fandom. I choose to continue to steer my kids toward the more positive ones. Which is ok, i think.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Roy Hibbert- self-riteous, self-absorbed?

                                Originally posted by *astrisk* View Post
                                I also believe that there are some GREAT athlete role models, and that is possible to make a mistake, but then mature from it in a very positive and endearing way.

                                There won't be any DeMarcus Cousins, OJ Simpson or even any Suh jerseys being worn at our place.
                                Here is my problem. Just because they can jump high, run fast and catch a ball, why are they considered role models? What are they doing for the greater good of the planet?

                                Athletes shouldn't be put to that type of standard. Just because you're good at a sport and people post your face on shoe and cereal boxes doesn't mean they should be a role model.

                                This goes for actors and musicians, too.

                                People that make a real difference in lives, Nobel Peace Prize winners, esteemed authors... examples like that.

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