I told him that my grandma thought he was awesome and she loved the Gangnam Style video, and he said, "You tell your grandma I said hello", so I did. She made a Roy fansign that said "Hello, Roy!" on it and had me tweet it, in which he retweeted it and thanked her for being a fan. I mean, he didn't exactly fly me in from down under, but he's still one of the two nicest guys on the team (George Hill), probably the nicest, down to earth guy.
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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
He went 0 for 4 from the field that night, (but had 10 boards, 6 being offensive). Dude probably thought he had a bad game or wasn't feeling well.
But being self righteous and self absorbed? That goes against literally every interaction I've ever had with the guy. From the Area 55 season 2 audition to the tweet I got back from him when I didn't make season 3 and thanked him for giving me the opportunity to the out of the blue discussion he had with me when he told me he had put in a good word for the Area55ers who were trying out for G2 at the bone marrow drive he did up at Castleton this fall, I've NEVER had any ping that he'd be some self absorbed self righteous jerk.
Hell, he even apologized for the accidental elbow to the head at the airport after the lockout and it really wasn't even his fault it had happened!
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There is another element of this story: The post game family & friends meet-and-greet.
Through work, I had the opportunity to meet a few of the players on the Spurs. When I was on vacation in New Orleans, the Spurs happened to be in town. One of the players hooked me up with a pair of tickets and passes to the meet-and-greet. I am assuming this was the same thing that the OP attended (in the basement near a loading dock)?
Anyway, the two players I met previously were nice, and we talked for awhile. However, Antonio McDyess barely acknowledged me. More on this in a second.
I was able to do this a second time in a weird way. I went to the Pacers-Knicks game with tickets I bought from a scalper. I ended up sitting right next to David Lee's dad. We talked about basketball all game, and he gave me two passes for the friends & family meet-and-greet after the game. My wife and I went... and it was supremely awkward. David Lee gave us a smile and a handshake, but nothing else. Why? Because we weren't anyone's friends and family.
That is my larger point. These things aren't meant to be public events. They are designed to give the road team who, with shoot-arounds and film sessions and trainer sessions and warm ups and the game itself, don't really have much time to hang out with their friends and family who live/are near a town on the road before they hop on the bus and head to the airport. It is supposed to be a "Hey Mom, love you, good to see you" and a "Charlie! What's going on, my man!" sort of thing, not a "R-R-Roy... Y-you are my biggest - I mean I am your biggest fan!" kind of thing.
Personally, I think it is a bit unfair to judge a player's personality based on that. Back to the McDyess thing... I didn't read much into it. I said hi, he said hi, nothing weird about that. If Antonio was a non-famous stranger, I wouldn't have thought about it twice. If I was a huge fan of him or the Spurs, I might have been hurt. But I wasn't, and I saw it for what it was.
Anyway, I wasn't there for your Roy experience, so I won't tell you that you are right or wrong. I just thought those experiences would shed a bit of context into the situation.
One final thought - I am in Area 55, and Roy Hibbert is the ****. He is super nice, very friendly, and fun to be around. He takes the time to remember everyone's name. Can't say enough about the dude. I would recommend taking that experience, throwing it away as an outlier, and enjoying the awesome, charismatic team leader we are lucky to have right now.
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That is really great Flavadave. I hadn't thought about it from that perspective, so that is really nice insight. And yes, that is exactly what it was...
Again, I'm not trying to crucify Big Roy. Just trying to get some perspective is all.
We invest money, hours and hair pigment into this team for several hours a night 2-4 nights a week. We get our pre-game and half-time fluff pieces but ,otherwise, no real perspective into who these guys are off-the-court. I am NOT here to say we as "fans" are any more entitled to knowing who they are when they are in their personal element as they are not entitled to knowing about mine. But, they have no interest in walking around with my name on their back, either.
In my opinion, I should have an idea as to the true character of my children's role models before I shell out 120 bucks for a jersey with their name on it. And no, that doesn't make me an overzealous fanboy. If anything it makes me an overprotective parent.
Thank you guys for your input and perspective. I knew that I would get some good responses and I did. No thank you to those making the personal attacks on myself. Not very classy.
Oh, and BTW, if I could have my kids show support for ANYBODY involved with the franchise, a Pacers "Vogel" jersey would be in order. A really cool guy, who obviously brushes his teeth!! Good role model!
If we want to dissect Roy the player, by all means we should do so. But Roy the man has shown himself to be a great man of character.
Remember when Roy was planning on visiting that sick fan of his? I remember hearing how heart broken he was when that sick fan had passed before Roy had a chance to meet him.
He's also done quite a bit to connect with the local fan base (area 55, random Gangnam style dances, video's, taking fans out to the movies, charity, etc)
If anything this thread at least brought to the fore (if that was even needed) how great a person Roy is.
I hope I can add some insight to this post. When Roy was a rookie and first started doing interviews, I noticed that he had slight hesitations or almost a stutter to his speech. As a speech pathologist, I know how difficult it is for some people to talk in public when the words don't flow fluently. If you notice him talking now, he has little fluency problems, but he does look away or talk about something he feels comfortable with when he is in the limelight. In my opinion, he has learned to compensate for his fluency issues. Now I am not saying he has ever been diagnosed with that, but I have been around it enough and worked with people who do have that issue and he is demonstrating coping mechanisms. I give him great credit. Can you imagine having to be in the public and being scrutinized as much as a professional athlete is? Then on top of that, working so hard at NOT letting people know you have fluency issues. It is very difficult to look someone in the eye when that occurs. Again, this is just my two cents worth on my observations! Love Roy Hibbert!
Meh, I really don't care who these people are or how they talk to their mothers. It's about one thing, basketball. That's what these guys are, basketball players. I buy a jersey that says Pacers on the front of it, so that's where it stays. It's not their job to kiss my butt and make me feel good about it. Just play ball. Win. Trying to justify why or how they should impact their children's lives should be moot, because the parent is the most important role model of them all. Not some athlete.
The biggest misconception our society has is commercialization = idolization. Get rid of a brand, what do you have left?
When did a kid's jersey ever cost $120?In my opinion, I should have an idea as to the true character of my children's role models before I shell out 120 bucks for a jersey with their name on it. And no, that doesn't make me an overzealous fanboy. If anything it makes me an overprotective parent.
I also believe that there are some GREAT athlete role models, and that is possible to make a mistake, but then mature from it in a very positive and endearing way.
There won't be any DeMarcus Cousins, OJ Simpson or even any Suh jerseys being worn at our place.
Here is my problem. Just because they can jump high, run fast and catch a ball, why are they considered role models? What are they doing for the greater good of the planet?
Athletes shouldn't be put to that type of standard. Just because you're good at a sport and people post your face on shoe and cereal boxes doesn't mean they should be a role model.
This goes for actors and musicians, too.
People that make a real difference in lives, Nobel Peace Prize winners, esteemed authors... examples like that.
Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
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Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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I agree. But, thats just not, "real world".
I'm not going to ask anything unreasonable out of expectations. But many athletes use their fame and money to do amazing things... They should also be celebrated.