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    I mean anybody at any position unless they are huge upgrades, I believe that Hill is going to be an all star for years to come, he has that potential.
    Who would be the list of players you would trade him for?

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    For the record, Calderon leads the NBA in assist/turnover ratio.

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    Factoring in clutch play and defense, I would take Hill over Calderon pretty easily. Also, the idea the Pacers would trade Granger for Calderon is not far removed from trading Granger for Collison. It is pure fantasy on Toronto's part.

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    I mean anybody at any position unless they are huge upgrades, I believe that Hill is going to be an all star for years to come, he has that potential.
    As I have said before, I believe Hill should be contending for 6th man of the year for years to come. All-Star...no way!
    and again, I hope Hill proves me wrong!
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    If you want to compare statistics you can't cherry pick. DJ has had three games that were good, but statistically only slightly better than Hill's average game. I'll worry about Hill's shooting when he doesn't have the second best shooting % on the team for wing and backcourt players.

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    I had my doubts about Hill as a full time starter at PG at first. Not any more, I'm perfectly happy with Hill at the point for the long haul. Hill's smart, tough, very good defender, a leader and I trust him at the end of games. Looking at stats and only stats does not give you the whole story.

    Never cared much for Calderon, certainly would never even remotely think about trading Danny for him.
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    As I have said before, I believe Hill should be contending for 6th man of the year for years to come. All-Star...no way!
    and again, I hope Hill proves me wrong!
    Hill would make a great 6th man.

    I will agree that he's not the ideal PG and I agree adding Granger isn't going to help ball movement. So, I understand the OP point. But Jose Calderon doesn't make us better. His defense as others have stated is not good and that will not work with West and Hibbert who would find themselves in foul trouble.

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    Who would be the list of players you would trade him for?
    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Kyrie Irving
    Rondo
    Russel Westbrook
    Curry
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    Rose
    Lillard

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    Hill would make a great 6th man.

    I will agree that he's not the ideal PG and I agree adding Granger isn't going to help ball movement. So, I understand the OP point. But Jose Calderon doesn't make us better. His defense as others have stated is not good and that will not work with West and Hibbert who would find themselves in foul trouble.
    I don't want Jose either. Especially not for Danny!
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    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Kyrie Irving
    Rondo
    Russel Westbrook
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    Parker
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    I would hope so. Some of those you would have to add PG and a couple of first rounders to get.....

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    George Hill's doing just fine.
    He's got some learning at the point guard position to do but he also knows that. In fact, he explicitly stated that after the Knicks game - he talked about how he was traditionally a 2 so moving Augustin to play alongside him late in the game made it feel more natural to him.
    That being said, he knows he's being asked to be in the 1 position now and said he's still learning, which I trust he will continue to do.
    For the time being, I'm more than content with him at the 1 and I do think he'll become a better PG.

    Remember, he's still got upside and he's really not that old.
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    i've been rather pleased with Hill this season. And i'm not ready to fully judge him until we get Danny back. The offense is pretty bad right now. We miss Danny, Roy is who knows what. If Roy were playing like he should be, Hill would probably be averaging another 2 more assists a game quite honestly. Roy is just missing a lot of gimmies. Its really hurting the offense, especially with no Granger. Is George Hill gonna be Chris Paul? Nope. Do i think we can get one of those elite point guards? Nope, not without giving up PG. And Calderon isn't enough for me to break up this core. Hill is far superior on the defensive end.

    Lets see what happens with the offense when Danny gels back into the rotation and if Roy comes around (big if at this point). Right now GH is the third scorer on the team imo. When Danny comes back he drops to #4. If Hibbert gets it around Hill then becomes the 5th option in the starting unit. I'm really curious to see how that works out and how it would change his play.

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    George Hill's doing just fine.
    He's got some learning at the point guard position to do but he also knows that. In fact, he explicitly stated that after the Knicks game - he talked about how he was traditionally a 2 so moving Augustin to play alongside him late in the game made it feel more natural to him.
    That being said, he knows he's being asked to be in the 1 position now and said he's still learning, which I trust he will continue to do.
    For the time being, I'm more than content with him at the 1 and I do think he'll become a better PG.

    Remember, he's still got upside and he's really not that old.
    As the team is constructed right now, I totally agree. I wouldn't want to trade a starter to try and improve Hill's position and then just bring Hill off the bench. That doesn't make much sense. However, in the future, I do think that may end up being an option as far as Hill combo off the bench and being 6th man contention. He could play big minutes doing so and it would allow less rotation and possibly better chemistry as a team come playoff time!
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    As the team is constructed right now, I totally agree. I wouldn't want to trade a starter to try and improve Hill's position and then just bring Hill off the bench. That doesn't make much sense. However, in the future, I do think that may end up being an option as far as Hill combo off the bench and being 6th man contention. He could play big minutes doing so and it would allow less rotation and possibly better chemistry as a team come playoff time!
    Kind of like a Terry type role? I like the sound of that
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    Wow, I like this board's activity.

    So many responses, so little time to respond in kind.

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    The Pacers are 28th in the NBA in team assists. 28th! Only the Cavs and Bobcats are worse. As much as I like this team, the problem I see is that we just may be the worst passing team in the NBA. We have TOO MANY shoot-first players. I'm fine with David West and Paul George taking this role, but when guys like George Hill, Green, and even Hansborough play like passing is never an option, then I fear we have a problem. What is the perhaps the last thing such a team needs? A shoot-first point guard like George Hill.



    I like this team at the 4 of the 5 starting positions, but I feel like George Hill gets too much of a pass, perhaps for being a local boy. For the sake of chemistry, I would like to see DJ get the starting job for awhile.

    Or how about Danny Granger for Jose Calderon? Would Toronto do it?

    We need fewer shooters and better floor generals!!!

    1. It's the system. The Pacers have the 2nd lowest offensive efficiency in the NBA. We saw what having a slow offense did to Steve Nash those first few games w/ Mike Brown.
    2. For the sake of chemistry, you'd bench our starting point guard who has helped the team to the #3 spot in the East for a guy shooting 32% (side note: I like Augustin)? That makes no sense.
    3. Granger is worth more than Jose Calderon, and I'm hardly a cheerleader for Granger.
    4. We don't have enough pure shooters. We've got enough guys that can handle the rock now that Lance has proven himself as a starter. This is the void that Granger fills.

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    I agree with defense but do you really think Hill is in another class than Calderon? I have had a chance to watch the Raptors a little bit and I'd say Calderon is a better floor general than Hill. Positives with the negatives I guess.
    I know what Pop said about Hill. I have also seen how Hill delivers at the end of games. That is enough for me.

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    Yeah, Calderon's offensive numbers are like the shiny bauble at the bottom of the claw machine. They stand out but at the end of the day his warts on the defensive end just makes him another trinket. I'd fear that we'd get burned constantly at the point of attack. The thought of West and Hibbert scrambling to protect the rim to cover Calderon's man just gives me cold chills. Much rather have Hill's defense than Calderon's offensive numbers. As others have said... For this team, Hill is good enough.
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    Would not consider it at all, unless we are getting a lottery pick from Toronto.

    This is where PER misleads people. Calderon is efficient, not productive, there's a big difference. Jose has a nice FG% and Assist/Turnover ratio which bloats his PER, but that's all he does. He can't create his own shot, and is a speed bump on defense.

    He'd be a nice 25 minute guy on a team that can hide him on defense (us), but that's about it.

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    Can we please just find a way to acquire an all star player or even better superstar at every position already so everyone would stop finding ways to improve/criticize this team!!!

    We need a GM who can make this happen.. theres gotta be someone on Pacers Digest that can do a better job than Larry Bird or Donnie Walsh!!!

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    How is comparing Jose Calderon to George Hill an insult to Hill? So confused.

    Calderon averaging 10.8 points and 8 assists.
    Hill averaging 14.5 points and 5 assists in more minutes.

    Im not on either side but just puzzled why Hill is in another league than Calderon when he clearly is not.
    You enjoy our elite defense? Because that goes to **** in a heartbeat if you insert Jose Calderon into the lineup. He can't guard anyone.

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    Jose Calderon is the "Troy Murphy" of the Point Guard world.

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    The league is going away from the pass only point guard for the last few years. I expect this will continue. We are better off with Hill.

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    For Jose Calderon??

    Really???

    I would trade DG for Kyle Lowry straight up.

    Lowry is a stud when healthy but he plays so recklessly so he will miss quite a few games due to injuries.

    Lowry - Hill - George - West - Hibbert

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    What a fascinating post. Obviously, I'd hate the idea. Let's take Danny out of the equation for a moment, and just focus on Calderon. Let's say we could swap Calderon for DJ (I know the numbers don't work; just pretend with me).

    Does anybody besides the original poster think that Calderon would be in the starting lineup if we made that trade? Seriously, I'd like to hear from you.
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