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Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

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  • #61
    Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

    Originally posted by pathil275 View Post
    I have seldom seen such a poor performance by the officials. The foul calls were laughable.

    O. Johnson should do the PG24 - get up early and hit the practice court and take 500 shots.
    Agreed, if he has a consistent shot by the end of the season he would be a better player than Green is right now.

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    • #62
      Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

      Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
      I agree, I think the non calls that the Nets should have gotten was ridiculous. Baby touch foul at one end on the Pacers and body slams on the other end that was ok! I couldn't believe my eyeballs.
      That's the stuff that drives me up the wall. If they're going to let them hammer us, then let us hammer them as well. If you're going to call us for lighter fouls, then call them for lighter fouls. The inconsistency is understandable for a play or a few plays, but when it seems like it goes all game it just gets infuriating.

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      • #63
        Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

        One more point about GHill.

        Deron Williams is paid almost three times what Hill is. If you expect him to do anything but get outplayed by Williams, I think your expectations are off. Also, I didn't see this game, but the last game I did see and Hill could barely get off the ground on his shots it seemed then. I doubt his body is refreshed from being sick. Hill played 42 minutes against the Bobcats and then the very next night puts in another 34.

        Hill is worth the contract we gave him. I thought we should have paid him in the $6.5-$7.5M range (but assuming full yearly increases) throughout the contract, so in my mind we overpaid him by no more than $5M over five years. He also fits more of what we do offensively and defensively than any of the players you mentioned. He is long and a versatile defender. Our whole roster is predicated on length to maximize our defensive coverage. Also, several of the guys you mentioned are small, quick SGs in a PGs body. That, as we can see with Augustin and Collison, is not the best fit for the make-up of our roster. Almost every one of those guys are better suited coming off the bench. Hill is a perfect starter for us (and a local kid), so the small premium we paid for his deal over what he should have gotten is well worth it. His maturity and work ethic more than make up for anything we may have overpaid him, IMO.

        I do appreciate your point CROZ. I agree that combo guards that come off the bench are a dime a dozen and they don't deserve to get paid more than about $5M per year for some of the better ones. Most of those players aren't worth what they are paid TO US. Jamal Crawford is a ridiculous scorer and plays significant minutes on every team he has played for, but he struggled to make a lot on the open market, because he is an inefficient chucker who plays very little defense. I love Crawford, because he is a Michigan man, but that is reality and he validates your point about combo guards. The big difference for me is that I don't see Hill as a combo guard. I see him as a PG. A great decision maker for the most part, a solid passer (but better post entry passer), a hell of a long defender who only truly struggles against really quick PGs. He fits this team as a starting PG, not a combo guard. He was a great complimentary player in SA, because he could play next to Parker and Ginobili. That is more a testament to his versatility as opposed to being labeled a "combo guard", IMO. I think he has improved significantly since he has come over to us and our team just needs to be more efficient as a whole on the offensive end, which has not been Hill's problem (or West).

        He and West have really been the stabilizing forces on this team this year. They truly have. To underestimate how well Hill has played is truly short-sighted in a couple of games where he wasn't 100%.
        "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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        • #64
          Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

          Also, I really am excited about Orlando Johnson.
          "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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          • #65
            Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

            Originally posted by BornReady View Post
            Just gonna say - Deron Williams is a pretty hard cover for any G in the NBA. His numbers were pretty on par with his season averages, so I don't think Hill did that bad of a job on Deron. He's just an elite PG and he WILL score and do what he does. Its impossible to just give instructions at the NBA level to another player and tell them - just do this, you'll shut them down! It just doesn't work like that for certain players.
            Lance and AJ actually did a very good job of covering him last season. Williams uses his strength more than any other physical ability to get his points, and they battled back with him. I'm not sure that Hill has the strength to defend like that though. He looks very thin. Tough cover for Hill, particularly when he may still be weak from his flu.

            That said, with the way things were called, Lance (if available) might have fouled out in 5 minutes if he tried that tactic.

            and speaking of the refs, I said in the other thread that as much as it sucks (and it did), the Pacers needs to learn how to win while playing 5 on 8. They got cranky and started yapping at the refs and let it control the rest of the game too. I say this because they will be playing 5 on 8 against Miami. We'll all hate it, they'll all hate it, but if they'd like to beat Miami, that is something they will have to overcome.

            Refs can have a lot of influence over a game. But they don't win games for a team. Pacers need to remember that. After a great display of mental toughness against the Bobcats, seemed like ref frustration undid the team a little.

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            • #66
              Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

              What is West supposed to do when he gets shoved hard enough to airball his shot attempt and they won't call it?

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              • #67
                Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                Also, I really am excited about Orlando Johnson.
                I agree. OJ seems promising.
                "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                • #68
                  Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                  Originally posted by Shade View Post
                  Vogel not letting the media bait him into ripping the refs. Though you can clearly see he wants to.
                  Why not? I think coaches have to go to bat for their players.

                  I also think they've got a quality assistant head coach, so pick a battle and throw a hissy and get tossed to fire up your players and make the officials think about the job they're doing.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                    Too much crying and whining about the referees, the fact is that if the Pacers don't commit stupid fouls and play better D they win the game.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                      Gotta agree with V on this. I think if anything we let the refs control our game by talking ourselves into the idea that we were getting screwed. You just gotta play through it.


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                      • #71
                        Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                        Yeah, let us fans and coaches complain not the players.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                          http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...lity-road-win/

                          Paul George put it, “Attempting 31 free throws to 12, that’s tough to overcome.”
                          “We just can’t rely on the officials giving us the calls the other teams get,” West said.
                          "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            Gotta agree with V on this. I think if anything we let the refs control our game by talking ourselves into the idea that we were getting screwed. You just gotta play through it.
                            It's more than that. Your coaches from the bench have to ask themselves "why are they getting the calls and were not getting squat?".

                            For example, last night Vogel and crew should have told his players to take it to the hole if you expect any chance at all of getting a call. Otherwise, don't complain and keep playing.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                              Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                              It's more than that. Your coaches from the bench have to ask themselves "why are they getting the calls and were not getting squat?".

                              For example, last night Vogel and crew should have told his players to take it to the hole if you expect any chance at all of getting a call. Otherwise, don't complain and keep playing.
                              They were taking it to the hole and not getting calls.

                              Vogel has to pick his battles though. Complain about it too much and no one will listen. We know he'll stick up for his team when need be.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pacers/Nets Postgame Thread 1/13/13

                                The officials last night were:
                                The guy who convinced the other officials to not eject Haslem from game 5
                                A guy from new jersey who was officiating the D League and WNBA 4 years ago
                                A guy who worked as a replacement ref and was a "guest referee" last year and was just promoted from the D League and WNBA
                                "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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