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    Terry
    35 years old averaging 10.6 PPG, 2.4 APG and 2.1 RPG. Lost starting job the moment Avery Bradley came back.

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    Felton
    Shooting less than 40%. He is averaging 15.8 PPG, 6.3 APG and 2.9 RPG. Really important for the Knicks as he is their primary shot creator and the reason for their good ball movement. Good penetrator but bad shooter. Injury prone. Ball dominant. Coming off his worst season ever.

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    Kidd
    39 years old. He cannot penetrate anymore and is often relegated to a spot up shooter.

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    Lowry
    Very good player. He is averaging 14.4 PPG, 6 APG and 4.7 RPG. Terrific rebounder, high energy player. Unfortunately, he is very injury prone. He has only played a full 82 game season once. And he is in his 7th season.

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    Hinrich
    Averaging 6.6 PPG, 5.5 APG and 2.7 RPG. Good shooter, good defender. 32 year old. Dependable vet in his 10th season. In his prime you could say that he was similar to George Hill.

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    Robinson
    Averaging 10.9 PPG, 3.6 APG and 2 RPG. Really undersized at 5'9. Opposing guards just exploit his size defensively. High energy player that has the ability to shoot you in or out of a game.

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    Sessions
    Averaging 14.1 PPG, 4 APG and 2.8 RPG. He's having a bad shooting season (under 40% from the field and under 30% from 3). Lakers fans used to complain about his defense. Bobcats fans complain about him because they think he shoots too much.

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    Lou Williams
    Averaging 14.9 PPG, 3.7 APG, 2.2 RPG and 1.2 SPG. High energy player that has the ability to shoot you in and out of a game. His shot selection is suspect. But he is a good player. Personally, I prefer Hill due to his D but one could make a case for Lou.

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    Chalmers
    Averaging 7.5 PPG, 3.4 APG, 2.4 RPG and 1.6 SPG. He mainly plays off the ball. Good shooter from downtown (Hill has a better career averaged but Rio is shooting it much better this season). Good defender. But he's not a shot creator and isn't much of a penetrator either. Miami fans hate him this season and consider him one of the worst PGs in the league.

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    Jordan Crawford
    Averaging 15.6 PPG, 4.6 APG and 4 RPG. He probably has the worst shot selection in the league. He has never met a shot he didn't like. Not much of a defender. But he can beat everyone off the dribble.

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    Jamal Crawford
    Mainly a SG but has a great size (6'6). He is 32 years old and he's in his 13th season. He's averaging 16.2 PPG, 3.1 APG and 2.3 RPG. He is good but he's older than what we were looking for.

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    Brooks
    Averaging 9.1 PPG, 2.7 APG and 1.9 RPG. He had a great year in Houston but according to Sacramento fans he's just a "glorified chucker that's halting the progress of the Thomas and Jimmer" now. Not a good defender due to his size (probably less than 6'0 and only 161 lbs).

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    Mayo
    Averaging 18.2 PPG, 3.8 APG and 3.7 RPG. Not a PG. He's a SG with some playmaking. He is turnover prone (2.9 turnovers per game). We tried to acquire him twice but the deal fell through. In FA, he chose a one-year contract and a starting spot in order to earn a good paycheck since has underutilized in Memphis.

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    Vasquez
    Averaging 14.2 PPG, 9.2 APG and 4.5 RPG. Great size (6'6) and natural playmaking ability. He is a front-runner for Most Improved Player as he has improved majorly in every statistical category. He went from 8.9 PPG to 14.2 PPG, from 5.4 APG to 9.2 APG and from 2.6 RPG to 4.5 RPG. He also imrpoved his 3 pt% from 31.9% to 39.4%. It's safe to say that few people expected that jump.

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    Neal
    Mainly a SG. He went undrafted and he was a journeyman in Europe 'till the Spurs picked him up. He is averaging 10.4 PPG, 1.8 APG and 3.9 RPG. Good 3 point shooter.

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    Barea
    Averaging 10.7 PPG, 4.4 APG and 3.3 RPG. Quick player that can run the PnR. Decent shooter, can score has good vision. But he's getting killed defensively because he is undersized. Most NBA sources have him listed a 6'0 but that's a lie. His mother has been cited to say that he's a bit smaller than 5'11. His wife is 5'9 and he does not seem a lot taller than her.

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    Ridnour
    Averaging 11.6 PPG, 4.2 APG, 2.9 RPG and 1.2 SPG. He is 31 years old and he is in his 10th season. He's a dependable vet. Had a great shooting year in his first season with Minny.

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    Shved
    Averaging 11.2 PPG, 4.7 APG and 2.6 RPG. He's still a rookie. He is 6'6 and is a true combo guard. He's shooting below 40% at the moment but I expect this to go up. Athletic player with good handles, excellent vision and flashy passing skills. He is a stud but he was completely unknown in the US. I'd love to have him here. It's too bad that sometimes the Pacers seem to completely ignore International FAs. We should make better use of that market just like the Spurs.

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    Foye
    Mainly a SG. He's averaging 11.1 PPG, 1.8 APG and 1.6 RPG. He's having a good shooting season at least (42.8% from deep). But I wouldn't even come close to prefer him over Hill.

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    nor does it include the combo guards who are making less than Hill and yet clearly superior, such as Conley.
    Conley is only paid $7.18M this year but he has a backloaded contract. He will be making $8.76 in 14-15 and $9.68 in 15-16. The Grizzlies are going to have to resign Speights and Bayless in 14-15 and they'll have to resign Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, Rudy Gay and Darrell Arthur in 15-16 (if Zach and Darrell pick up their player options in 14-15). Conley's contract makes it significantly harder for them to do so.

    Hill is on a flat contract that doesn't take anything away from our flexibility when we're going to need to resign West, Granger, PG and Lance. A front-loaded contract would be better given our cap space this season but flat contracts are always good.

    Also, Hill got a $40M for 5 years deal whereas Conley got a $45M for 5 years deal. Conley is paid significantly more than Hill overall.

    As far as the clearly superior part is concerned.

    Hill is averaging 14.6 PPG, 5 APG, 4.4 RPG, 0.9 SPG and 0.4 BPG this season. He is shooting 41.9% from the field, 34.6% from deep and 86.1% from the line. He is also averaging 1.8 turnovers per game.

    Mike Conley is averaging 13.3 PPG, 6.2 APG, 2.7 RPG, 2.4 SPG and 0.2 BPG this season. He is shooting 41.6% from the field, 38% from deep and 83.6% from the line. He is also averaging 2.6 turnovers per game.

    So, let's compare the two. Hill is scoring more. Conley is assisting more. Hill is a better rebounder. Conley has a significant advantage in steals (although, this can be attributed on the Grizs' aggressive defense that tries to create a lot of turnovers in contract with our conservative approach in defense). Hill has a sizeable advantage in blocks. Hill is shooting slightly better from the field and from the line but Conley is shooting better from deep. Conley is more turnover prone than Hill.

    I clearly remember a thread that appeared one week ago (or so) that compared the PGs that came out of Indiana (Hill, Conley and Teague). You will find several interesting facts there that point out that Hill was indeed the right player to choose.
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