that Novak thing is getting out of hand. I mean why wouldn't we hate? We are Pacers fans after all right? Wouldn't you feel a bit of hate for a player from a rival team almost always doing that belt thing after he makes a three? also that 20+mpg he gets is ridiculous and not warranted when what he can do is only shoot threes. battier can shoot and defend, ray can also drive and sometimes dunk, bowen can defend, terry is a gamechanger and a spark off the bench. I think that is where the criticisms for Novak comes from he can't do anything else most of the time. It's ridiculous IMO to even bring up an argument about dunking not being allowed that Chandler, Griffin and all those dunkers would be out of work. i don't think Novak is worthless, but I think there are far better and more flexible 3pt specialists out there.
I honestly think Vnzla is trolling us because there is no way I can truly see someone trying to draw a parallel between Reggie Miller and Steve Novak. I mean I can't even really see someone drawing a parallel between Shane Battier and Steve Novak.
About Paul and Lance, it seems that from among these two, we will have the guy (or guys) that can be a "finisher" for us at the end of a close game. That is, we will have our guy who, at the end of the game, everyone on the opposing team knows the ball is coming to him, but they will be powerless to stop him. Last night I saw both Lance and Paul create enough plays for themselves that while I still would give the nod to Paul, I can also see Lance heading the same way. It has been a pleasure to watch both of them mature before our eyes.
Also, I haven't called anyone troll since OlBlu's escapades on the Colts board back when he predicted Andrew Luck would be carried off on a stretcher and RGIII would run to glory in like week 4 (also, ouch), so please don't act like it is something I do on a daily basis.
I've got to admit, I'm pretty disappointed with this discussion. How this clip hasn't been posted yet is beyond me.
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While the idea of even attempting to make some sort of correlation between Steve Novak and Reggie Miller is a couple shades beyond idiotic, I do think Peck was too tough on him.
Novak has zero business being on the floor when Melo is not but he serves a very valuable purpose when playing with him.
"I had to take her down like Chris Brown."
Sometimes it's fun to take a position you don't agree with to help bring out further analysis and discussion. This is not one of those times.
I agree with Brush's take in the end. Novak serves a purpose when Melo is on the floor, but last night he was completely out of place and even with a healthy Melo I would probably only play Novak 15MPG.
More to the point I find it kind of funny that you ran to Novak's defense so quickly? I don't really understand why. I am trying to remember the last time you defended a Pacers player this vehemently though.
Last edited by vnzla81; 01-11-2013 at 01:00 PM.
Nothing like talking about how important of a piece Novak is, when you've *****ed and moaned about Danny Granger, and tried to minimize his importance, when Danny is 100x the player Novak will ever be.
This schtick was old about 6months ago, and every day it gets worse and worse.
Why the heck did this turn out to be a Novak discussion anyway?
I'd much rather watch a grind it out game where points are hard to come by than a track meet up and down the floor where the difference is either who has the hottest 3 point shooting, who happens to finally (accidentally?) make a defensive play or two, or who happens to blink and makes an unforced error or two.
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."
Yes, DWest does need rest, but Granger isn't going to be back for 4 or so weeks. That's a lot of games for a tired older player to have to play waiting on Granger's return. DWest needs some rest NOW to get revitalized.
The next 4 games are against the Bobcats twice, Net, and the Magic. Then 5 tuff teams in a row have to be played. Vogel needs to take the Bobcats games, and the Magic games and rest DWest. DWest doesn't need to be rode to death before half the season has been played.
Tyler is playing pretty weel right now IMO, might as well take advantage of it and maybe throw him a few more minutes a game to grab West some extra rest for the moment.
I agree. I think Vogel expected West to get things going in the 2nd half, as he usually does in the past. But in the last few games he just have a hard time making his usual shots.
While Tyler can be inefficient, I think he can just grab some points fast because he's drawing fouls and converts FTs at an above average rate. If he can get 20 mins a game and playing minutes together with some of the starters, he will surely get some of the points that West is struggling to get right now.