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    What else is Novak doing to warrant that much PT?
    He spreads the floor, duh.

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    that Novak thing is getting out of hand. I mean why wouldn't we hate? We are Pacers fans after all right? Wouldn't you feel a bit of hate for a player from a rival team almost always doing that belt thing after he makes a three? also that 20+mpg he gets is ridiculous and not warranted when what he can do is only shoot threes. battier can shoot and defend, ray can also drive and sometimes dunk, bowen can defend, terry is a gamechanger and a spark off the bench. I think that is where the criticisms for Novak comes from he can't do anything else most of the time. It's ridiculous IMO to even bring up an argument about dunking not being allowed that Chandler, Griffin and all those dunkers would be out of work. i don't think Novak is worthless, but I think there are far better and more flexible 3pt specialists out there.

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    Comparing shooters is often difficult. You have some guy who can only catch and shoot guys. You have other guys who can do a lot more, like run off screens, shoot of the dribble and shoot when well defended. Reggie is in the second category, which makes him much, much, much more valuable than those who can only catch and shoot.
    And some just catch and ****

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    All of that is wrong. Reggie would have slashed under the arc. Bigs can still lay it in for 2. What are you talking about?
    A lot of "Reggie moments" don't happen if the 3 point line is not there.

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    I honestly think Vnzla is trolling us because there is no way I can truly see someone trying to draw a parallel between Reggie Miller and Steve Novak. I mean I can't even really see someone drawing a parallel between Shane Battier and Steve Novak.

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    Let's not get too enamored with Pendergraph just because he made a few shots. He may have played well offensively, but he gave up at least 5 offensive rebounds to the Knicks when he was in due to his complete inability to box out. Hopefully Frank points it out to him when they go over film because it really is just inexcusable for a player of his size to not even attempt to body up his man after a shot attempt.
    In Pendergraph's defense, he was kind of put in the same position as that of a backup QB. He clearly doesn't get as many first-team reps, and needs work in some areas. But he is enthusiastic, a hard worker, and from what I've heard and can tell, has a decent basketball IQ. I've said it in another thread---I really think he could benefit from working with Jeff Foster as he could teach him about positioning and foot-work and the little things expected of a big man.

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    Advanced stats also really hate Novak. Like I said it's not so much what he does. It's how much time he takes to do it. 25 MPG to score 7PPG? What else is Novak doing to warrant that much PT? Hopefully his minutes go down when Shumpert gets back because I will like him more, otherwise, he's a big fat defensive liability at the small forward or shooting guard, he doesn't rebound all that well and he has a tendency to disappear.
    He plays that many minutes because they don't have anybody else that can "stretch the floor" like he does, the other team needs to have a defender on him at all times, "stretching the floor" is his job, and yes I hated the clown and Troy Murphy because he was playing 30+ minutes per game at power forward and center over guys like Roy, Tyler and Mcbob.

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    I honestly think Vnzla is trolling us because there is no way I can truly see someone trying to draw a parallel between Reggie Miller and Steve Novak. I mean I can't even really see someone drawing a parallel between Shane Battier and Steve Novak.
    Typical TJ, has nothing else to say so let's call that person a troll.

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    He plays that many minutes because they don't have anybody else that can "stretch the floor" like he does, the other team needs to have a defender on him at all times, "stretching the floor" is his job, and yes I hated the clown and Troy Murphy because he was playing 30+ minutes per game at power forward and center over guys like Roy, Tyler and Mcbob.
    Then the Knicks are always going to be at a major disadvantage defensively for those 25MPG all season long. They need him to be playing 15MPG tops.

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    About Paul and Lance, it seems that from among these two, we will have the guy (or guys) that can be a "finisher" for us at the end of a close game. That is, we will have our guy who, at the end of the game, everyone on the opposing team knows the ball is coming to him, but they will be powerless to stop him. Last night I saw both Lance and Paul create enough plays for themselves that while I still would give the nod to Paul, I can also see Lance heading the same way. It has been a pleasure to watch both of them mature before our eyes.

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    Typical TJ, has nothing else to say so let's call that person a troll.
    You take everything so personally man, I honestly think you're joking around with us. If you like joking better than trolling then fine, but I just think it's funny either way.

    Also, I haven't called anyone troll since OlBlu's escapades on the Colts board back when he predicted Andrew Luck would be carried off on a stretcher and RGIII would run to glory in like week 4 (also, ouch), so please don't act like it is something I do on a daily basis.

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    I've got to admit, I'm pretty disappointed with this discussion. How this clip hasn't been posted yet is beyond me.

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    You take everything so personally man, I honestly think you're joking around with us. If you like joking better than trolling then fine, but I just think it's funny either way.

    Also, I haven't called anyone troll since OlBlu's escapades on the Colts board back when he predicted Andrew Luck would be carried off on a stretcher and RGIII would run to glory in like week 4 (also, ouch), so please don't act like it is something I do on a daily basis.
    I'm not taking it personal, I'm trying to have a good argument here but somebody always has to come to poop on the conversation by calling somebody a troll or a hater, if you don't have anything to ad to the conversation don't post.

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    While the idea of even attempting to make some sort of correlation between Steve Novak and Reggie Miller is a couple shades beyond idiotic, I do think Peck was too tough on him.

    Novak has zero business being on the floor when Melo is not but he serves a very valuable purpose when playing with him.
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    A lot of people wouldn't be in the association, Reggie wouldn't be a hall of famer but guess what? the 3 point line exist and is not going anywhere.

    I guess I'm going to start the argument that if dunking was not allowed in the NBA Tyson Chandler, Blake Griffin and others would be out of work also.
    Is it possible that at times you will argue just for the sake of arguing? The counterpoints were very clearly presented. I find it hard to believe that "you didn't get" (and even agree) with the points being made. If not, then you certainly must be the only one.

    Sometimes it's fun to take a position you don't agree with to help bring out further analysis and discussion. This is not one of those times.

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    I'm not taking it personal, I'm trying to have a good argument here but somebody always has to come to poop on the conversation by calling somebody a troll or a hater, if you don't have anything to ad to the conversation don't post.
    I don't think there's a good argument here to be had honestly.

    I agree with Brush's take in the end. Novak serves a purpose when Melo is on the floor, but last night he was completely out of place and even with a healthy Melo I would probably only play Novak 15MPG.

    More to the point I find it kind of funny that you ran to Novak's defense so quickly? I don't really understand why. I am trying to remember the last time you defended a Pacers player this vehemently though.

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    While the idea of even attempting to make some sort of correlation between Steve Novak and Reggie Miller is a couple shades beyond idiotic, I do think Peck was too tough on him.

    Novak has zero business being on the floor when Melo is not but he serves a very valuable purpose when playing with him.
    I wasn't comparing Reggie to Novak so everybody stop with that bs, what I was talking about in the first post was about the importance of the 3 point line for a player career, saying that if there was not a 3 point line Novak would be unemployed is an stretch, either way I'm done with this conversation, I don't feel like getting pile on today, have a nice day.
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    Nothing like talking about how important of a piece Novak is, when you've *****ed and moaned about Danny Granger, and tried to minimize his importance, when Danny is 100x the player Novak will ever be.

    This schtick was old about 6months ago, and every day it gets worse and worse.

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    Nothing like talking about how important of a piece Novak is, when you've *****ed and moaned about Danny Granger, and tried to minimize his importance, when Danny is 100x the player Novak will ever be.

    This schtick was old about 6months ago, and every day it gets worse and worse.
    leave it to since86 to make some conclusion up, bravo good job.

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    Why the heck did this turn out to be a Novak discussion anyway?

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    I'd much rather watch a grind it out game where points are hard to come by than a track meet up and down the floor where the difference is either who has the hottest 3 point shooting, who happens to finally (accidentally?) make a defensive play or two, or who happens to blink and makes an unforced error or two.
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    leave it to since86 to make some conclusion up, bravo good job.
    Leave it to Vnzla to drag everyone down, bravo good job.

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    I think he needs rest. He's beat up. He's just tired. He had to take on a scoring load at the beginning of the season that he had no business doing at this stage in his career. I Think he's fine. Just got to let him sit a little. Once Granger is back I think it will really allow him to rejuvinate for the playoffs while Granger and George get reacquainted on offense.

    Yes, DWest does need rest, but Granger isn't going to be back for 4 or so weeks. That's a lot of games for a tired older player to have to play waiting on Granger's return. DWest needs some rest NOW to get revitalized.

    The next 4 games are against the Bobcats twice, Net, and the Magic. Then 5 tuff teams in a row have to be played. Vogel needs to take the Bobcats games, and the Magic games and rest DWest. DWest doesn't need to be rode to death before half the season has been played.

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    Tyler is playing pretty weel right now IMO, might as well take advantage of it and maybe throw him a few more minutes a game to grab West some extra rest for the moment.

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    Tyler is playing pretty weel right now IMO, might as well take advantage of it and maybe throw him a few more minutes a game to grab West some extra rest for the moment.
    I agree. I think Vogel expected West to get things going in the 2nd half, as he usually does in the past. But in the last few games he just have a hard time making his usual shots.

    While Tyler can be inefficient, I think he can just grab some points fast because he's drawing fouls and converts FTs at an above average rate. If he can get 20 mins a game and playing minutes together with some of the starters, he will surely get some of the points that West is struggling to get right now.

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