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Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

    Originally posted by Dece View Post
    I think Hibbert is the worst offensive starting center in the league right now.
    Seriously?

    Bismack Biyombo is the starting Center for the Bobcats.

    Festus Ezeli is the starting Center for the Warriors.

    Lavoy Allen is the starting Center for the 76ers.

    Emeka Okafor is the starting Center for the Wizards.

    Amir Johnson is the starting Center for the Raptors.

    And there are also the likes of Kosta Koufos, DeAndre Jordan and Omer Asik. Guys that are shooting a good percentage because they mainly score off of misses but will not give you points if you just throw them the ball in the post.

    Originally posted by Dece View Post
    I was pointing out their points in the paint in reference to this idea that Hibbert is a shoe in DPOY candidate and ultimate intimidator/enforcer on the interior. He plays great defense, but he didn't scare them away from attacking the rim -- they kept going inside, they weren't intimidated. He plays great defense, but he's not Mutumbo or Mourning or a healthy D12 - he's not so good that he can force teams to just give up on the paint. That was the point there.
    They kept going inside because that's how Memphis plays.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat...mpted-per-game

    Memphis is 29th in 3 pointers attempted per game. They also are 29th in 3 pointers made per game. Only Chicago attempts and makes less 3s. They are almost afraid of shooting 3s.

    Even if you stop Memphis from scoring in the paint in a high clip, they'll just keep shooting in the paint. That's what they can do best. It's paint, paint, paint.

    That's the complaint of several Memphis fans as well. That they don't even play inside outside. They play inside inside. I know that some of those fans overreact (most people in team specific boards overreact sometimes) but what they say has some basis on reality.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

      Man, I am pumped this morning. If we beat NY tomorrow it is going to be tough to contain my enthusiasm.


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      • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
        Our bench has to get a lot of credit for this win.

        DJ was good tonight. He made good reads on offense, made the correct passes, took care of the ball and hit his FTs. Also, he wasn't bad defensively either. Granted, he will never be a good defense but he was at least commited in playing D and wasn't a revolving door.

        Gerald Green was good as well. Yes, he only shot 3/11 but his D was great. I'm still in awe that he managed to draw an offensive foul by LeBron James. He also had 2 blocks and 2 steals. If he can give us that kind of defensive effort every game, he's going to be golden.

        Ian Mahinmi continues to give us some great contribution. Remember when our defense fell off when Roy was on the bench in last year's playoffs? The Heat would just go on a run because our last year's bench lacked the size to stop penetration. Ian has that size. He is a true big man. He has learned some defensive tricks by Roy and he's no longer extremely foul prone. His ability to finish at the rim and hit the 15 foot jumper is a bonus

        Tyler had a good game as well. Frank didn't use him as much as he normally gets because the game demanded that Ian should get some more mins but when he played he was good. He was his usual self, bringing energy, heart and hustle. Good job on hitting 5 of your 6 FTs as well.

        Great game, bench. You outscored the Heat's bench 25 - 8.

        PS: Orlando was ok in the minutes he played as well. He had 2 assists in 4 minutes which is always a good thing
        OK doctor-h is ready to eat crow. Let me have it. Great win tonight. I really liked the way they played tonight. I just hope this becomes more of the norm. I said I hoped I was wrong about this team and I truly do. Nothing could make me happier than to kick the Knicks asses.

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        • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

          Originally posted by mattie View Post
          By the way, Paul George is the Pacers leading scorer on the season.
          He's finally emerging and he will be an All-Star
          Smothered Chicken!

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          • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

            So where are the few posters that said the Pacers were going to flirt with or be under .500 all season at? Funny how quiet some posters get when the Pacers win, and how unbearable they get when they lose.
            Last edited by Since86; 01-09-2013, 11:10 AM.
            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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            • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
              The luxury tax is 70M, afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong
              No, 70M is correct, but at 58M for starters you only have 12M left over...

              -4M for Ian = 8
              -3M for Green = 5

              Got Orlando, Plumlee, and then next years 2 rookies ~2-3M

              Now we have 2M left and we don't have a backup point guard yet. What about Lance? (maybe that's the same thing, but Lance gonna cost more than 2M)

              There just isn't enough money to go around without hitting the luxury or letting someone go. Edit note: this already assumes we've let Tyler and DJA walk.
              Last edited by Dece; 01-09-2013, 11:01 AM.

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              • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                The luxury tax threshold will probably increase by the 14-15 season, which is the season that any PG extension would kick in. It might only be 3M more, but that should give some more room.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                  If Paul George is still putting 30 and 10 on Lebron's noggin when this all happens, you don't even worry about the luxury tax IMO.


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                  • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                    Originally posted by Dece View Post
                    No, 70M is correct, but at 58M for starters you only have 12M left over...

                    -4M for Ian = 8
                    -3M for Green = 5

                    Got Orlando, Plumlee, and then next years 2 rookies ~2-3M

                    Now we have 2M left and we don't have a backup point guard yet. What about Lance? (maybe that's the same thing, but Lance gonna cost more than 2M)

                    There just isn't enough money to go around without hitting the luxury or letting someone go. Edit note: this already assumes we've let Tyler and DJA walk.
                    IMHO.....I think that Granger will be shopped in the offseason and ( my guess ) Hansbrough is being shopped now...all for the same reason Gay is being shopped and why Harden was eventually traded.....to not be in the LT when it comes time to pay PG ( and possibly Lance ) in the 2014-2015 season.

                    But the decision to go over the LT and/or keep Granger and/or West will be based off of how deep we go in this year's playoffs. If we get to the ECF....I think the argument could be made to go into the LT while making a concerted effort to keep both Granger and West. Anything short of that...and I think that we only keep one of Granger or West.
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                    • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                      Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                      OK doctor-h is ready to eat crow. Let me have it. Great win tonight. I really liked the way they played tonight. I just hope this becomes more of the norm. I said I hoped I was wrong about this team and I truly do. Nothing could make me happier than to kick the Knicks asses.
                      Props for this post, doc-h.

                      This is a great, classy example of admitting wrong, and I respect you tremendously for it.

                      I hope I can be as gracious next time I need to eat crow.
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                      • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        If Paul George is still putting 30 and 10 on Lebron's noggin when this all happens, you don't even worry about the luxury tax IMO.
                        It still depends if we start getting good attendance. Dominating the Heat on a night that was subpar offensively for us, in our FIRST matchup of the year, in front of a sold out crowd, in the midst of a long home winning streak....let's just say it's a good start and I hope the like continues.
                        Time for a new sig.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                          PG24 becomes a RFA when Kobe turns 38 and comes off his contract. Who thinks multiple teams will be offering PG a max contract?

                          I don't think Simon will allow us in luxury taxland, so I think we keep only 2 of West, DG and PG.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                            I'd assume that by the time PG's extension is up, we're either letting go of Danny or West, or one of them will be taking a pay cut. If he keeps up his level of play, there's just NO WAY we're going to let him go though. So I don't think that's a problem. Yes we'll have to pay Lance, but for a guy that's not even averaging 8ppg, AND has stuck with him through his legal issues, I feel that he's more valuable to us than he would be to another team. This basically translates into us being able to re-sign him to his second contract at a relatively decent rate. (Now after that initial contract, watch out. If he keeps improving we'll have to pay that man)

                            But why worry about any of that now. We'll deal with it when the time comes.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                              Haha there is no way management will let PG leave. The starting lineup may be broken up but that happens. Don't worry about Paul George playing anywhere but Indiana for the next 5 years.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 1/8/13

                                Originally posted by Dece View Post
                                No, 70M is correct, but at 58M for starters you only have 12M left over...

                                -4M for Ian = 8
                                -3M for Green = 5

                                Got Orlando, Plumlee, and then next years 2 rookies ~2-3M

                                Now we have 2M left and we don't have a backup point guard yet. What about Lance? (maybe that's the same thing, but Lance gonna cost more than 2M)

                                There just isn't enough money to go around without hitting the luxury or letting someone go. Edit note: this already assumes we've let Tyler and DJA walk.
                                If we can find a way to dump the last year of Greens deal, which I believe is feasible, we can make it work.

                                For the 2014/2015 season, the LT will likely rise - I estimate $72M.

                                I agree with your figures regarding the starters - about $56M when all are locked up. Lance will likely get a starting salary at $4M (if we are smart and extend him this summer) and Mahinmi is at $4M. So, $64M for our starters and our top two bench players. $4M for Plumlee, OJ, and our next two first rounders. So we have $4M left for a minimum of 3 spots (14 player roster), with holes at backup PF and PG. I would hope that one of our next two first rounders could plug a hole a backup PG or PF, so if we sign minimum salary guys at $700k for 2 of the remaining 3 spots, that leaves $2.5M to plug the other backup hole. If you shop smart, I believe you can find a bench player at that price. We have until the summer of 2014 to figure out a way to dump Green thoguh, which is a priorty. West is up this summer, a year prior to Danny, PG, & Lance, and we have plenty of room. We might want to consider a deal where the first year is loaded up - like $11M year 1 and $7M year 2 (assuming we can do that)

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