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1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

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  • 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

    WITNESS THIS!



    -VS-



    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: J. Crawford, C. Blair, P. Fraher

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Miami Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / Sun Sports / SNET1 (Canada)
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / WAXY 790 AM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    20-14
    Home: 12-3
    East: 10-6
    23-9
    Away: 7-6
    East: 11-6
    Jan 10
    Jan 12
    Jan 13
    Jan 15
    7:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:00pm
    7:00pm
    HIBBERT
    WEST
    GEORGE
    STEPHENSON
    HILL
    BOSH
    DJANGO
    JAMES
    WADE
    CHALMERS


    PACERS
    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)



    HEAT
    Nada




    Tom Haberstroh: Who's to blame for Miami's rebound woes?

    It seems the Heat have a rebounding problem.

    The defending champs rank in the bottom 10 overall in rebound rate and second to last
    on the offensive glass. This has generated heaps of criticism toward both Chris Bosh
    and the Heat's decision to embrace small-ball after winning the title with it.

    But here's the thing: The Heat have already ditched small-ball, and when they did, they
    became a worse rebounding team.

    This is Miami's rebounding paradox. Sunday's game against the Washington Wizards
    marked the one-month anniversary of Udonis Haslem's promotion to the starting lineup.
    On Dec. 6, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra, looking to shore up the increasingly problematic
    second unit, decided to insert Haslem into the starting five against the New York Knicks
    and bring Shane Battier off the bench as he rehabbed from his strained MCL.

    We can debate all day about the importance of starting lineups or the lack thereof, but
    this was a landmark move in the Heat's season. Spoelstra, at least temporarily, put the
    title-winning formula on hold by slotting two traditional big men next to LeBron James.

    Spoelstra went "big" and by doing so, it accomplished a couple of things. One, it
    allowed Joel Anthony to anchor the second unit's previously porous defense. So far,
    that's worked out and the defense has improved.

    Secondly, it gave the Heat an additional big man next to Bosh to help on the boards.
    Haslem is known as the Heat's rebounding specialist. Earlier this season, he became
    the franchise's all-time leading rebounder, and last season he ranked eighth in the NBA
    in defensive rebound rate.

    But the interesting thing is that Haslem's promotion has had the opposite effect on the
    Heat. Since Haslem entered the starting lineup, the Heat have ranked 24th in rebound
    rate. Before then: 21st.

    Dig deeper and the issue becomes clear: The Heat's "big" starting lineup has gotten
    crushed on the boards. The five-man unit with Haslem next to Mario Chalmers and the
    Big Three has played 189 minutes together this season, which ranks 26th in the league,
    according to NBA.com's advanced stats tool. Among the top 30 five-man units with the
    most minutes in the NBA, that Chalmers-Wade-James-Haslem-Bosh lineup ranks 28th
    in rebound rate, grabbing just 45.5 percent of all available rebounds. A 45.5 percent
    rebounding rate would rank last in the NBA behind the Dallas Mavericks.

    And it gets worse: That lineup gives up 19.3 second-chance points every 48 minutes --
    easily the highest rate among those 30 lineups. It's actually the highest rate of any of
    the top 50 teams in minutes.

    You want to know which lineup ranks 17th in rebounding among those 30 most
    common lineups?

    The Heat's "small" starting lineup with Battier. Yes, better than the Haslem lineup.

    How can this be?

    There's a big difference between rebounding on the individual level and on the team
    level. Individually, Haslem does very well on the boards; he averages 9.6 rebounds
    per 36 minutes, which is the highest in Miami's rotation. But on a team level, the
    Heat have actually done worse on the boards when he's on the floor this season.

    You know who in particular has done worse with Haslem on the court? Bosh. In fact,
    Bosh tallies 9.2 rebounds per 36 minutes with Haslem on the bench, according to
    NBA.com’s advanced stats tool. When he plays next to Haslem: 5.8 rebounds per 36
    minutes.

    This is the opposite of the Bargnani Effect, the phenomenon when Bosh became an
    all-world rebounder when he played alongside Andrea Bargnani (the anti-Mr. Clean on
    the glass). When Bosh plays next to Battier in that starting lineup, he grabs 11.0
    rebounds every 36 minutes. Those are numbers that Heat fans want to see from Bosh.
    But Bosh's boards have been cut in half when he plays next to Haslem.

    Does Haslem steal Bosh's rebounds? And why do the Heat's rebounding numbers suffer
    when Haslem is on the court?

    These are very good questions...CONTINUE READING AT HEAT INDEX




    Pacers
    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows


    Heat
    Brian Windhorst @windhorstESPN
    Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstroh
    Ira Winderman @iraheatbeat
    Joseph Goodman @miamiheraldheat
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

    Here is my official war cry.



    THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA
    Senior at the University of Louisville.
    Greenfield ---> The Ville

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      Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

      Is Django Haslem's twin?

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        Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

        The Heat tend to coast in the regular season. But I don't think that they'll coast against us after the last playoff series.

        Then again they may coast because we're without Danny. So, you never know.

        In any case, I expect a good performance. I'd like to see us fighting all the way.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • #5
          HIBBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          • #6
            Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

            I don't know what is up but on my Directv receiver the game is NOT showing on the Guide at 673-1 like normal. And right now instead of pregame it is a Directv logo??

            Anyway... the pregame IS showing at 753-1 (which is a League Pass channel but in the past that would always be clear when the normal FSNI channel was showing the game).
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

            ------

            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden

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            • #7
              Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

              DirecTV issue here too! NNNOOOOOOO!

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              • #8
                Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                Indiana Pacers@Pacers
                Pregame coverage begins now on @FSIndiana. Special note for viewers in Indiana: Find it on DirecTV Ch. 671 and Dish Ch. 418.

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                "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                • #9
                  Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                  Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                  DirecTV issue here too! NNNOOOOOOO!

                  But you can go to 753 and get it, right? (or 753-1)
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                  ------

                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #10
                    Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    But you can go to 753 and get it, right? (or 753-1)
                    Yep.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                      671 works! Thanks!

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                      • #12
                        Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                        Originally posted by cgg View Post
                        Indiana Pacers@Pacers
                        Pregame coverage begins now on @FSIndiana. Special note for viewers in Indiana: Find it on DirecTV Ch. 671 and Dish Ch. 418.

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                        thanks i was about to flip out

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                        • #13
                          Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                          Originally posted by cgg View Post
                          Indiana Pacers@Pacers
                          Pregame coverage begins now on @FSIndiana. Special note for viewers in Indiana: Find it on DirecTV Ch. 671 and Dish Ch. 418.

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                          Thanks.... that makes all the sense in the world. Move Pacers games from 673 to 671 in the middle of the season. Especially when these are 'virtual' channels anyway so it's all mapping (IOW they could map the game to 671 AND 673 to eliminate confusion)....
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #14
                            Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                            Well... I had something I was going to do before the game but ended up spending the time trying to figure out why it wasn't where it was supposed to be on my Directv...
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #15
                              Re: 1/8/2013 Game Thread #35: Pacers Vs. Heat

                              Dang I really want to crush these guys.

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