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  • Tyler Hansbrough

    Over the past year and a half, it's pretty well documented that lots of people are expecting us to let Tyler go because of one of many different reasons. Many point to the fact that he's just not very good, that he hasn't improved, maybe more specificially that he hasn't developed post moves. But despite having minutes taking off per game Tyler has been quietly having a very good season. I don't dare to comment on his jump shooting for fear of jinxing it, but despite having a terrible run in the beginning of the year he's working his FG% up. Many people point out that some execs thought Plumlee was like "another Foster." Well if you look at who's getting playing time the only place we get energy from on the roster is Hansbrough.

    So he gets his 17 minutes per night, then goes out and averages 6.5 points and 4.4 rebounds a game. He is scoring his 6.5 ppg despite only averaging 4.4 attempts per contest and a career low 70% from the FT line. His per36 numbers are 14 pts/ 9.5 rebounds. Which means in short bursts he is as effective as any of our big men, and more efficient than any but David West. He averages almost 2 offensive rebounds per night, which means that between him, Hibbert, and Mahinmi we always have elite offensive rebounders on the floor. Also, his FG% is third on our team behind only Stephenson and West.

    He may not have the elite athleticism, but he is as strong as an ox and he has a very quick 2nd and 3rd jump. How many times has he knocked out a ball a much longer and athletic defender had caught high up in the air, then quick jumped him to secure the rebound as it came down? He is strong and he has very good hands. He pulls down a rebound or two a night he has no business in securing.

    He is even physical enough in his normal play to be an "enforcer" that so many people want on our team. No, he's not gonna go out there and pay back a hit with a dirty foul routinely. But whoever is guarding him will probably get inadvertantly popped in the mouth a couple of times because of his hard, herky-jerk style. He outworks the front line on the other team basically every night and fights for any loose ball remotely near him. He may get called for an offensive foul for aggressively positioning a night, but that is a much better turnover than the one lazy pass PG seems to throw every night.

    His defense has improved and he is no longer the black hole we all hated from him in years past. I think that it's time we stop assuming that he's going to be gone and start hoping that other teams are too put off by his ugly play to give him more money than the Pacers can justify giving him.
    Last edited by aamcguy; 01-07-2013, 11:07 AM.
    Time for a new sig.

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    Re: Tyler Hansbrough

    Last year was a bit of an aberration, to me... I love Hansbrough, but he went to a different place last year, I'm not sure what happened. He looks like he's back and playing hte way I've always wanted to see him play. He's a capable PF, a good backup and at least good enough to step in and start if need be.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      Re: Tyler Hansbrough

      I've seen enough from him to know I have no desire to watch him play for the Pacers again.

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        I am all for keeping Hansbrough if the price is very reasonable.

        I mean in a world where Gerald Green, Patrick Patterson and Churck Hayes can earn playing time I have a tough time seeing where Hanbrough should be out of the league.

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          Re: Tyler Hansbrough

          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
          I've seen enough from him to know I have no desire to watch him play for the Pacers again.
          And I've seen enough from him to know that I want him on the Pacers for the foreseeable future. I've played up his positives, what stands out for you and makes you tick? I am curious because I think his positives far outweigh his negatives.
          Time for a new sig.

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            Re: Tyler Hansbrough

            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
            I've seen enough from him to know I have no desire to watch him play for the Pacers again.
            I doubt you have to worry about that. I think we let Tyler walk and try to move his minutes to Mahinmi and/or Plumlee. While I'm a big TH fan, I believe it's in the Pacers best interest to do that. We need the cap space from DJA, Pendy and Tyler to find a real backup PG. In the hope that that person will be Lance, we still need the money to resign West and add a 3rd wing. I feel that Hibbs, West, IM, and Plums would be enough to cover the big man minutes. Also, is there a chance Stanko will come over, finally?

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              Re: Tyler Hansbrough

              I just don't see where the money comes from to re-sign Hansbrough. I agree he's had a very solid season (he's done an excellent job this season of going away from the things that he is awful at and focusing on the things that he is much better at), but that will also likely drive up his price. If they get him on a one year deal they can probably pay him some money, but anything beyond that would likely mean sacrificing West or Granger.

              Pretty much the only likely scenario I can see Tyler signed is if they decide that they'd rather go forward with Lance+Tyler rather than Granger and either trade Granger or let him go at the end of his contract.

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                Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                I doubt you have to worry about that. I think we let Tyler walk and try to move his minutes to Mahinmi and/or Plumlee. While I'm a big TH fan, I believe it's in the Pacers best interest to do that. We need the cap space from DJA, Pendy and Tyler to find a real backup PG. In the hope that that person will be Lance, we still need the money to resign West and add a 3rd wing. I feel that Hibbs, West, IM, and Plums would be enough to cover the big man minutes. Also, is there a chance Stanko will come over, finally?
                There is a problem there. West's caphold basically eliminates any possibility of being significantly below the salary cap. So that cap space won't do us much good if we plan on keeping West.

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                  Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                  One thing I've noticed time and time again is he's really worked on his ability to read and pass. He's not the blackhole he was coming in from NC.

                  Hell, recently I saw him drive HARD down the lane when the D gave it to him, bull in a china shop style, only to surprise me by quickly reading the help D and dishing to the open man to the side of the hoop. His teammate flubbed the layin or the pass (can't recall which, but in either case the pass from Tyler was fine), but Tyler did the right thing, and it impressed me because that's real growth in that department.

                  Still, on the whole, I'm firmly in the "don't care if he leaves, don't mind if he stays as long as he's cheap" category.

                  Part of me thinks if we like what we see in Miles Plumlee's development, we might play him at the backup 4 next year.

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                    Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                    I think there's a good chance Tyler is on the Pacers next year. The problem being that I think it will be hard to keep West (though if he goes we might be screwed). Thing is, can we really afford to let all our PFs go? That would be a huge hole that we would be unable to fill. We'd have player X (free aagent?) starting and Chumlee as the back up. That's a huge step back from this year.

                    Never mind, just noticed Troy Murphy will be a free agent! We can just bring him back.
                    Danger Zone

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                      Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                      Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                      And I've seen enough from him to know that I want him on the Pacers for the foreseeable future. I've played up his positives, what stands out for you and makes you tick? I am curious because I think his positives far outweigh his negatives.
                      I've probably posted about 20,000 words about why his game is so offensive. That said, I've never enjoyed watching a single player less, than I have Tyler Hansbrough. When I watch him play basketball, the fact that he's made it this far without grasping basically every major fundamental of the game, makes me cringe.

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                        Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                        I've probably posted about 20,000 words about why his game is so offensive. That said, I've never enjoyed watching a single player less, than I have Tyler Hansbrough. When I watch him play basketball, the fact that he's made it this far without grasping basically every major fundamental of the game, makes me cringe.
                        agree he and Samardo Samuels are like twins they both drive me nuts watching them play. Just bad basketball players who have no skills and fundamentals except "hustle"

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                          Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          I am all for keeping Hansbrough if the price is very reasonable.

                          I mean in a world where Gerald Green, Patrick Patterson and Churck Hayes can earn playing time I have a tough time seeing where Hanbrough should be out of the league.
                          Out of the league is not the same thing as not picking up an option for $4m. The NBA world says that 8-9 reb/36 on 40% FG is bottom of the barrel PF play and can be found for league min contracts. If the choice is resign West OR cut Hans, this isn't a choice at all. They won't pick up the option because it's not remotely financially reasonable to do so, even with his jumper starting to fall again the last 2 weeks.

                          The only thing Tyler produces at an abnormally high level are FTAs and having his own dunks blocked, and that's not sarcasm, that's from me looking at 82games.com and being shocked at his blocked dunk attempt rate.

                          He hustles and I like what he can produce at times, but he's often just a mess out there. He plays out of control and that helps and hurts. He's the KNUCKLEBALL of NBA players.
                          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-07-2013, 02:39 PM.

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                            Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                            He's the KNUCKLEBALL of NBA players.
                            I think that we've found a new nickname for Hansbrough
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                              Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                              Seriously, offer Hansbrough up to the Bobcats for Gerald Henderson before the trade deadline. Both are on rookie contracts...so it's not like both Teams could lose them for nothing and I bet that Hansbrough still has enough of a fan following that he could draw in some more Psycho-T fans.

                              Henderson has been pushed back to the bench to play behind Players like MKG, Ben Gordon and Sessions in the lineup and next to John Jenkins.....so it's not like they don't have the depth at the Wing rotation.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 01-07-2013, 02:56 PM.
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