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  • #16
    Re: Tyler Hansbrough

    I think Seth makes the best point. You just don't put yourself in a position where you might have to pay Hansbrough $4.225M next season, therefore no qualifying offer will be made. I could see the Pacers wanting to pay him maybe $2.5M per year, but how can you pay him more with the money that will be given West and eventually George?

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    • #17
      Re: Tyler Hansbrough

      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
      Out of the league is not the same thing as not picking up an option for $4m. The NBA world says that 8-9 reb/36 on 40% FG is bottom of the barrel PF play and can be found for league min contracts. If the choice is resign West OR cut Hans, this isn't a choice at all. They won't pick up the option because it's not remotely financially reasonable to do so, even with his jumper starting to fall again the last 2 weeks.

      The only thing Tyler produces at an abnormally high level are FTAs and having his own dunks blocked, and that's not sarcasm, that's from me looking at 82games.com and being shocked at his blocked dunk attempt rate.

      He hustles and I like what he can produce at times, but he's often just a mess out there. He plays out of control and that helps and hurts. He's the KNUCKLEBALL of NBA players.
      The free throws are a big, big component though. Hansbrough is 7th in FT/36 minute rate this year (minimum 100 minutes). He's sandwiched right in between Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony. Not only does that create points for himself, but it also puts teams in the penalty and helps give his teammates trips to the line.

      And I would say that the rebounding, at least this year, isn't bottom of the barrel. Hansbrough is tied for 44th in rebounding per 36. Here are the other names between 40 and 50: Noah, Haslem, Pekovic, Ayon, Ibaka, Ezeli, Horford, Landry, Green. That's not a bad group to be in. Among players that ESPN lists as PF's, Hansbrough is tied for 19th out of 51 qualified players.

      The field goal percentage is obviously a major problem. But Hansbrough is back up close to where he was 2 years ago at almost 45 percent this year. That puts him 47th out of 91 PF's (Hansbrough doesn't make the qualified list because he doesn't shoot enough). The names right around him are Humphries, Davis, Seraphin, Gibson, Brand, Bass.

      He's one of the worst power forwards at assists (tied for 86th out of 97 for assists per 48). He's 1 assist every 48 minutes lower than average in that area. He's average in not turning the ball over (50th in TO's per 48 out of 97).

      So he's actually been fairly effective offensively and in the rebounding department this year. The main questions with Hansbrough are what makes this year more likely to reappear than last year, and has his team defense improved? I think the first question is likely a positive answer. The Pacers are using Hansbrough more effectively and having him shoot less which is increasing his FG percentage and also leaving him available for more rebounds. The second answer I'll leave up to everybody else, although it really can't be that horrible with the Pacers overall great defense and the fact that he is playing with at least one bad defender for a majority of his minutes (Augustin).

      I think overall it might not matter though. Hansbrough might be worth 4 million, but that doesn't mean the Pacers can afford to pay him that. They have to make their choices very carefully on who to pay the next year or two to stay out of the LT.

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      • #18
        Re: Tyler Hansbrough

        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        Seriously, offer Hansbrough up to the Bobcats for Gerald Henderson before the trade deadline. Both are on rookie contracts...so it's not like both Teams could lose them for nothing and I bet that Hansbrough still has enough of a fan following that he could draw in some more Psycho-T fans.

        Henderson has been pushed back to the bench to play behind Players like MKG, Ben Gordon and Sessions in the lineup and next to John Jenkins.....so it's not like they don't have the depth at the Wing rotation.
        I don't think the Pacers woul want to commit the $4.2M to Henderson any more than they would to Hansbrough. Plus with George possibly moving back to SG, and having Lance and two more years with Green, does it really make sense to bring Hendrson on board?

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        • #19
          Re: Tyler Hansbrough

          Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
          But despite having minutes taking off per game Tyler has been quietly having a very good season.
          Has he been having a good season, or just a good week?
          This space for rent.

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          • #20
            Re: Tyler Hansbrough

            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
            Has he been having a good season, or just a good week?
            He is having a better year than last year, partly because he has had a great week or two.

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            • #21
              Re: Tyler Hansbrough

              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
              He is having a better year than last year, partly because he has had a great week or two.
              And mostly because as long as his head isn't spinning in circles, it couldn't have gotten any worse.
              Last edited by Mackey_Rose; 01-07-2013, 04:57 PM.

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              • #22
                Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                Man, if you could take Hansbrough's will, energy, and just full-on fearlessness, and match it with... leaping ability and a real honest-to-goodness post game, we'd have a keeper for off-the-bench energy.

                He's definitely started to respond to his shortcomings: he's less of a black hole on offense (he actually passes the ball out of the post sometimes), and he clearly has been practicing his midrange game.

                All of that said though, some of his shortcomings were so severe, I don't think he's going to make it with us.

                Here's the question: would he accept a Mahinmi-like deal? Is he worth a Mahinmi-like deal?

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                • #23
                  Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                  Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                  Here's the question: would he accept a Mahinmi-like deal? Is he worth a Mahinmi-like deal?
                  Tyler's response to an offer of $16 Million over 4 years: "Is there where I answer yes, or hell yes?"

                  Is he worth an offer of $16 Million over 4 years? I'll have to get back to you, I think I'm going to be sick.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                    Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                    I've probably posted about 20,000 words about why his game is so offensive. That said, I've never enjoyed watching a single player less, than I have Tyler Hansbrough. When I watch him play basketball, the fact that he's made it this far without grasping basically every major fundamental of the game, makes me cringe.
                    See, I like watching Tyler.

                    Mostly because I find that style amusing. I know his play isn't always beneficial to the team, but I just get a kick out of him.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                      Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
                      I think overall it might not matter though. Hansbrough might be worth 4 million, but that doesn't mean the Pacers can afford to pay him that. They have to make their choices very carefully on who to pay the next year or two to stay out of the LT.
                      Yeah, they've spent the "primary bench big man" money on Mahinmi. He needs to improve his hands, but in every other way he excels past Tyler. He is bigger and his size/hops both show, he's smoother on drives as long as he doesn't let the ball get stripped and he can play back to the basket. Ian has improved each season and was coming from a much more raw place than Tyler was.

                      Again, Tyler is a knuckleball. You don't know for sure how he'll impact the game. Sometimes his energy catches the opponent off guard, gets them on their heels and turns the game. Other times he just trainwrecks the offense with a couple of misses and an offensive foul or two. I don't think you can pay him $4m with that level of unreliability.

                      Certainly if Ian doesn't improve his hands then his contract might look problematic as well but its too soon to evaluate that. And if Ian becomes more reliable and you were paying Tyler maybe $2m then that works as a great bench. But that's just not where things are right now.


                      One problem with Tyler's FTAs is that he doesn't draw them like most scorers do. He doesn't beat guys with some great offensive move that begins to demand double teams and general attention, which would make him a guy you can focus the offense around. Tyler is getting a lot of his foul calls on loose ball scrums which come on broken plays, missed shots, etc. So while it's helpful it again is unpredictable and not something you can plan around.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                        Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                        See, I like watching Tyler.

                        Mostly because I find that style amusing. I know his play isn't always beneficial to the team, but I just get a kick out of him.
                        Yeah, I almost can't imagine this team without him. Tyler, Hibbert and George are all linked in my mind.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                          Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                          See, I like watching Tyler.

                          Mostly because I find that style amusing. I know his play isn't always beneficial to the team, but I just get a kick out of him.

                          I do to but what I don't get is that if his hustle, energy and enthusiasm is off the charts why doesn't that translate into doing all the work necessary to improve on the court? His weaknesses don't ALL revolve around lack of talent.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                            Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                            I've probably posted about 20,000 words about why his game is so offensive. That said, I've never enjoyed watching a single player less, than I have Tyler Hansbrough. When I watch him play basketball, the fact that he's made it this far without grasping basically every major fundamental of the game, makes me cringe.
                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            agree he and Samardo Samuels are like twins they both drive me nuts watching them play. Just bad basketball players who have no skills and fundamentals except "hustle"
                            I understand his game is ugly. It looks disjointed and is rife with contact. As far as watching him, I am with Sookie. I love watching that style of play. Guys who go out there and just give it their all. He doesn't always do the right thing, but that is only a problem if he is ineffective and his "not doing the right thing" always produces bad results.

                            I guess that is a personal choice, but I value results over appearance. He is our only bench player this year who has commonly had games where he comes in and changes the complexion of the game. It's usually for the positive. And I think one think that shouldn't be overlooked is that a lot of his mistakes don't really hurt us. So he may make a couple bad decisions in games, but they usually only result in dead ball turnovers or non shooting fouls.

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            Has he been having a good season, or just a good week?
                            He has been having a good season, but it wasn't more universally recognized until he started hitting jumpers. I don't think people were even remarking that he was doing poorly. They would talk about our bench and mention how Ian, Green, Young, and Augustin/Little Hansbrough were doing. Tyler kind of flew w/ no remarks either way for a lot of it. But he is involved in virtually every trade idea I've seen
                            Time for a new sig.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

                              One problem with Tyler's FTAs is that he doesn't draw them like most scorers do. He doesn't beat guys with some great offensive move that begins to demand double teams and general attention, which would make him a guy you can focus the offense around. Tyler is getting a lot of his foul calls on loose ball scrums which come on broken plays, missed shots, etc. So while it's helpful it again is unpredictable and not something you can plan around.
                              That's not really true. You can't predict he'll get them on a particular game. But you can predict that he will get to the line. As a bench player, he doesn't need to do it in crunch time or in opportune times. He just has to do it whenever he plays.

                              I used basketball-reference's game finder limited to the pacers and manually counted Hansbrough's games. In his career, he has played in 199 regular season games.

                              Games with...

                              7 or more FTA: 38 (19.1%)
                              5 or more FTA: 72 (36.2%)
                              3 or more FTA: 114 (57.3%)
                              1 or more FTA: 168 (84.4%)

                              So he nearly always makes at least one trip to the free throw line, and more often than not he takes at least two. And since he has averaged between 16 and 22 mpg every season he hasn't had 1 season that allowed him more time to rack up a ton of games with extra free throw attempts. He consistently gets to the line without lots of playing time. Just because he doesn't get them the same way other players do doesn't mean they're less valuable.
                              Time for a new sig.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Tyler Hansbrough

                                When Tyler is playing like he has been for the last few weeks he an asset coming off the bench. His game is never going to be pretty but I think he has worked out how to be effective in the paint despite a height disadvantage. His rebounding seems much better than it was early in his career. He seems to get a lot more tough rebounds at both ends of the floor when he only seemed to get easy ones early in his career.

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