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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    I havent read the WAPO yet bur supposedly Andrews backed off his story a bit.

    When i wake up ill see if i can find a link

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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...altimore-game/

    Andrews, when reached by phone on Monday, concurred with Shanahan’s account.

    “Coach Shanahan didn’t lie about it, and I didn’t lie,” Andrews said Monday afternoon. “I didn’t get to examine [Griffin’s knee] because he came out for one play, didn’t let us look at him and on the next play, he ran through all the players and back out onto the field. Coach Shanahan looks at me like, ‘Is he OK?’ and I give him the ‘Hi’ sign as in, ‘He’s running around, so I guess he’s OK.’ But I didn’t get to check him out until after the game. It was just a communication problem. Heat of battle. I didn’t get to tell him I didn’t get to examine the knee. Mike Shanahan would never have put him out there at risk just to win a game.”

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    This is exactly why I wanted to wait for the WHOLE story instead of jumping to conclussions like so many others.

    Still not sure who I believe

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    Regardless of the whole story, I still believe the coaching and medical staff --- whatever the governing entity --- grossly neglected the health and safety of it's player.
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    Regardless of the whole story, I still believe the coaching and medical staff --- whatever the governing entity --- grossly neglected the health and safety of it's player.
    And RGIII gets none of the blame? It's his knee, and it was his decision to not let the medical staff check it out. At the end of the day, the criticism belongs to him. I understand the drive to compete.

    And really I'm not sure any of it matters, considering he was cleared to play the playoff game and that's where the damage was really done.
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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    So basically Shanahan still let RGIII run out on the field without being examined by the doctor...got it.

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    And RGIII gets none of the blame? It's his knee, and it was his decision to not let the medical staff check it out. At the end of the day, the criticism belongs to him.
    He definitely has to take part of the blame.

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    Players always say they want to go back on the field --- the coaches and medical staff are there to say "no".
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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    So what makes you think he wouldn't have been cleared, considering that he was cleared to play the very next week?

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    And RGIII gets none of the blame? It's his knee, and it was his decision to not let the medical staff check it out. At the end of the day, the criticism belongs to him. I understand the drive to compete.

    That was my point about the team not being able to trust him to play in a way to minimize injury chances. He's been full steam ahead, fighting for that last 18", leaping, giving up his body, etc all season to one degree or another. Obviously he uber competitive but just so obviously his situational awareness is questionable... So the staff is willing to trust him when he says he's "OK" and then ends up dragging that knee along like a piece of dead meat?

    Does anyone doubt when asked if this was tender or that hurt that he wouldn't lie to 'pass' that initial test or tests?

    So yeah... this is on him to a point... a large point... but at some point the staff HAD to see him laboring out there and needed to make the call for his own well-being. Whether they rushed him back or not is an entirely different question.

    What's really perplexing is it reached a point where it was clearly best for RG3 AND the team to put him on the shelf for the rest of the game. And they didn't do it.
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    So what makes you think he wouldn't have been cleared, considering that he was cleared to play the very next week?
    I guess I don't get what you're getting at.
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    Blame falls on both RG3 and Shanny. Both egos got the in the way of a smart decision.

    Of course, pro sports are filled with millions of atheltes lying about how healthy they are.

    It falls on the coach, but coaches have been overruled by the lines of Ben Rothlesburger, Jordan, LT, TO (blind in the SB and lied about how healthy he is)....the list could go on and on.

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    I guess I don't get what you're getting at.
    That because he was cleared to play against the Seahawks, I'd venture to guess he would have been cleared to re-enter the game against the Ravens.

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    I still don't understand your point. The kid was clearly hurt and compromised. Whatever factors involved, whether RG3 himself was careless in handling his own injury... or Shanahan was careless in his handling of RG3's injury... or the medical staff was careless in their handling of RG3's injury --- the kid was clearly injured, against Baltimore, and two more times against Seattle, and yet there was Griffin shuffling up to the line of scrimmage late into the 4th quarter on a leg almost dangling from his hip.

    There was a breakdown in caution and responsibility. The tweaking and re-injuring continued to occur and yet he remained out there until finally his knee completely buckled on a rather inconspicuous play. It was mishandled.

    The entire thing didn't need to happen. My point with Griffin is, if he did indeed say he was "fine", that's still not really his place to say --- he's not a doctor. And he's a rookie. He's not Michael Jordan, he's not Peyton Manning, so "overriding" his coach really isn't an option at this point. Shanahan and now it appears Andrews dropped the ball in dictating to RG3 that he should call it quits and get it properly treated. That's my honest opinion.
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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    I don't know of any other way to really say it.

    He wasn't cleared to re-enter the Ravens game, but considering he was cleared to play against the Seahawks, I think it's safe to assume that had Andrews looked at him during the Ravens game, he would have been cleared to re-enter the game.

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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    He was also cleared for the DAL game

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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    Now I'm seeing more details I obviously overlooked. We're talking about week 14 against the Ravens. He was cleared to play 3 more games before the Seahawk game, where he tore up his knee.

    This is really much-to-do about nothing.

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    I don't know of any other way to really say it.

    He wasn't cleared to re-enter the Ravens game, but considering he was cleared to play against the Seahawks, I think it's safe to assume that had Andrews looked at him during the Ravens game, he would have been cleared to re-enter the game.
    I don't think that's a safe assumption at all, lol... I think it's very possible that he would've held him out. He still may have been cleared for the next game.
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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    If you don't think he would have been cleared to re-enter the game, then how did he manage to get cleared for 4 more games afterwards?

    Your knees don't heal that fast. If he had a knee injury severe enough to pull him from a game, then I'd feel safe to assume it's severe enough to sit him down for the following games. He's not going to heal enough to go from unable to play, to being able to play in 5-6 days with a knee injury like that.
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    Default Re: RG3 Was Never Cleared By Dr to Re-enter Wk 15 Game after knee injury

    Well 1) he wasn't cleared for the next 4 games, he sat out the very next game.

    2) During the Baltimore game, he went back in and crumpled to the ground. Do you remember that game? He came back in and crumpled to the ground and was pulled anyway:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyuQ3PImbNs

    How good would that have made Andrews look if he had actually performed a sideline exam and says "looks good to me" and then a few plays later Griffin crumples to the ground on his own after a seemingly innocuous play. Whether he was cleared or not is moot. The point Andrews was making was that he didn't even get to LOOK at Griffin and make a sound diagnosis before Griffin went trotting back in. Griffin's knee improved tenfold in like 3 days, do you not remember that whole story? Yes, it's completely possible to hold someone out of the rest of a game and he's back by the next, when you're 22 and have the methods that are available today, you can make significant improvements quickly. But that doesn't mean your knee is structurally sound.

    I still don't understand your underlying point. Griffin is injured man, he was injured multiple times and he was not reeled in like he should have been, starting with the Baltimore game.
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    HIs point seems simple to me (correct me if I am wrong Since)

    Andrews ran his mouth on how he did not clear RG, but now he is backtracking saying "I did not see him after the BAL injury".

    Since's point is how was he cleared for the PHI, DAL and SEA game?

    My question is why the hell was Andrews not more assertive. If I am a world renowened DR (and you guys all say this guy is a medical genious, and I take your word for it) I do not simply let the player run in circles on the sideline and not even look at him.

    I either am in the coaches ear, or after the game I am saying screw you guys, if I cannot even look at the guy then I will take my happy *** home cause you dont care what I have to say".

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    That's not what I got at all from Andrews.

    What I got from Andrews was that he didn't get a chance to look at Griffin directly after he injured it against Balt, before Griffin went back out on the field. Once Griffin crumpled the second time, and was yanked, then it sounds like he was able to do proper tests, whether after the game, or whatever.

    I can't speak for "assertiveness". We don't know what happens on the sidelines. The physicians may not have a ton of say on matters if a player is running around on the sideline seemingly okay. The coach is probly pressuring him to get back out there anyway.

    But I can say that between the coach and the medical staff, proper procedures weren't followed to ensure that Griffin was indeed okay to enter. If I were Shanahan and had witnessed that hit and Griffin walking gingerly, the FIRST thing I would've done was flag down the medical staff, just to check him out quick. You could also argue that Griffin complicated things himself by being the tough guy and neglecting to get looked at, but ultimately, he's not the boss, he's not calling the shots.
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    “Well, after the game we talked in detail. When he went back into the game at that time, I looked over at Dr. Andrews, he said, ‘Yeah, he’s ok to go back in.’ Of course I’m sitting there trying to evaluate Kirk Cousins’ play, so when someone says he’s OK… Well, what Dr. Andrews is talking about, when I talked to him today, he said, ‘Hey, Robert came around and he started showing us he could run; he was sprinting around and then he just took off, so I just figured he was OK. I didn’t go through a thorough examination of him until after the game.’ I wasn’t really sure in what detail he was talking about at that time. He felt Robert – just looking at him run and then take off – that he was ok to go back in. I looked at him for the next three plays, the first time he had Santana [Moss] shell across, the next time he threw a little out-round, and it looked like his footwork was good. But you could see on that last one, where he hit Pierre Garçon, that when he stepped into the pocket that it wasn’t right. At that time Pierre caught it and he was trying to kill the clock, but we were going to take him out at that time, and that’s when Kirk came in.”

    Andrews, when reached by phone on Monday, concurred with Shanahan’s account.
    “Coach Shanahan didn’t lie about it, and I didn’t lie,” Andrews said Monday afternoon. “I didn’t get to examine [Griffin’s knee] because he came out for one play, didn’t let us look at him and on the next play, he ran through all the players and back out onto the field. Coach Shanahan looks at me like, ‘Is he OK?’ and I give him the ‘Hi’ sign as in, ‘He’s running around, so I guess he’s OK.’ But I didn’t get to check him out until after the game. It was just a communication problem. Heat of battle. I didn’t get to tell him I didn’t get to examine the knee. Mike Shanahan would never have put him out there at risk just to win a game.”

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    First class cluster eff.

    and Andrews looks like an idiot, IMO. I am a amazing doctor and I looked at him and gave the coach the "hi" sign.....

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    He actually is an amazing doctor, that's the thing. It does sound like a miscommunication between the two, likely compounded by Griffin's posturing on the sideline and avoiding the medical staff. Either way, they can't just poopoo that stuff. When someone gets hurt like that --- the coach, the player, the medical staff all need to cooperate and make sure.

    On NFL Radio this morning, they were talking about exactly this process, needing to be looked at by the NFL, because the relationship between team physicians and the team itself is largely handled internally, and often times those physicians aren't getting paid by the team, they're paying the team. So there's conflicts of interest. They might be afraid of ruffling any feathers in the case the team decides to just terminate the relationship. It's really not a very healthy relationship in terms of actually taking care of the players, lol...

    I wanna say it was Amani that said that team physicians should be paid by the league and assigned, to avoid conflicts of interest. And proper guidelines for examination and treatment, instead of having a situation like Griffin who basically hid his injury and avoided examination. I thought this was actually a decent idea.
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