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Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

    No. FSI will continue airing the games as if nothing happened. This is just putting some Pacers games on the FSMW mothership for the St Louis area.
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    • #17
      Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

      I am a little confused on this as well....I live in Illinois, just on the border, 7 miles from Terre Haute. Since I live in Illinois, I am listed as being in the Bulls market which gives me Comcast SportsNet Chicago HD for all the Cubs/White Sox/Bulls/BlackHawks games, and FS MidWest HD for all Cardinals/Blues games. That being said, I currently get FoxMW, but no FSI through Dish. My FoxMW is on channel 418, but I also have channel 443 that shows as Alt, and states it is "Sports Alternate: This channel is provided for additional sports programming. (Programming subject to blackouts)". Channel 443 shows all the Pacers games, but I am blacked out from all of them. The info for the Pacers games shown on that channel is "FOXMW Alt" which a little digging on the internet shows is actually FSI....Will I now get the Pacers games on my FoxMW, will the Alt channel now be available to me, will FoxMW give me a blackout?? I am so confused....
      http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

        Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
        I am a little confused on this as well....I live in Illinois, just on the border, 7 miles from Terre Haute. Since I live in Illinois, I am listed as being in the Bulls market which gives me Comcast SportsNet Chicago HD for all the Cubs/White Sox/Bulls/BlackHawks games, and FS MidWest HD for all Cardinals/Blues games. That being said, I currently get FoxMW, but no FSI through Dish. My FoxMW is on channel 418, but I also have channel 443 that shows as Alt, and states it is "Sports Alternate: This channel is provided for additional sports programming. (Programming subject to blackouts)". Channel 443 shows all the Pacers games, but I am blacked out from all of them. The info for the Pacers games shown on that channel is "FOXMW Alt" which a little digging on the internet shows is actually FSI....Will I now get the Pacers games on my FoxMW, will the Alt channel now be available to me, will FoxMW give me a blackout?? I am so confused....
        I would think that this now indicates the Pacers are the "home" NBA team in the StL market, and you seem to be included in the StL market, so you will hopefully start getting them on FSMW. Good luck!
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        • #19
          Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

          Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
          Will I now get the Pacers games on my FoxMW, will the Alt channel now be available to me, will FoxMW give me a blackout?? I am so confused....
          Since it sounds like you are in the Blues FSMW area affected, you might very well get the Pacer games on FSMW.

          The only kicker would be some Fox exclusivity contract for those covered by a different alt channel.
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          • #20
            Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

            Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
            I am a little confused on this as well....I live in Illinois, just on the border, 7 miles from Terre Haute. Since I live in Illinois, I am listed as being in the Bulls market which gives me Comcast SportsNet Chicago HD for all the Cubs/White Sox/Bulls/BlackHawks games, and FS MidWest HD for all Cardinals/Blues games. That being said, I currently get FoxMW, but no FSI through Dish. My FoxMW is on channel 418, but I also have channel 443 that shows as Alt, and states it is "Sports Alternate: This channel is provided for additional sports programming. (Programming subject to blackouts)". Channel 443 shows all the Pacers games, but I am blacked out from all of them. The info for the Pacers games shown on that channel is "FOXMW Alt" which a little digging on the internet shows is actually FSI....Will I now get the Pacers games on my FoxMW, will the Alt channel now be available to me, will FoxMW give me a blackout?? I am so confused....
            I'm in the same boat. I live about an hour west of Terre Haute/Indiana border. From what I understand, 8 of the games are going to be on FSMidwest, the main channel (418 for you, 671 for me on Directv). There is a Fox Sports Midwest-Plus channel that right now isn't listed on Directv (and per the article, isn't on Dish either). That's a channel I've watched the Blues on when the Cardinals were playing and vice versa. So I'm not sure why that it is not available at this time. I did email both Directv and Fox Sports Midwest to get more information on it. But my understanding is that those of us in the Bulls 'market' will now have access to Pacers game through FS Midwest, as long as we get that Plus channel. So it's up in the air. I've set my DVR for FSIndiana feed tonight just in case I might get it. I'm intrigued to see what happens.

            Here is a quote from the article I linked to earlier. Hopefully it will lend a bit of clarity:

            The games tonight and Saturday will appear on Fox Sports Plus, the outlet to which spillover programming is sent when another event airs on the “main’’ channel. The location of FSM-Plus varies by programming provider, and most of the Pacers’ telecasts will be there — only eight of the 38 games on the schedule are set for the primary FSM channel. The first of those is at 6 p.m. Tuesday when Indiana faces defending NBA champ Miami.

            On the surface it appears that the Pacers, who lead the NBA Central Division, are a low priority for FSM’s main outlet — a women’s basketball game between Northern Iowa and Illinois State is set for tonight while the NBA goes to the secondary option. But Donovan said it’s a complex scheduling situation.

            “There are a lot of different contracts and promises we’ve made to teams and leagues,’’ he said. “We’re trying to find the right balance.’’

            Donovan said FSM-Plus is “widely available’’ in most cases. However, DirecTV and Dish Network are not on board yet for the Pacers telecasts on either outlet because of a technical issue that is being addressed.
            Last edited by TheRyanExpress; 01-04-2013, 01:37 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
              I would think that this now indicates the Pacers are the "home" NBA team in the StL market, and you seem to be included in the StL market, so you will hopefully start getting them on FSMW. Good luck!
              Well, I just got done "chatting" with Dish support....Pointless to say the least, but they did confirm that as far as Regional Sports Networks go, the Indiana Pacers are now considered the Home NBA team in the STL market, and will not be blacked out when they air on FoxMW.....As for FoxMW+ the agent had no clue what I was talking about.....so guess we sit back and wait to see what happens....
              http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                Where's my cut?

                Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                Now, that said, this is great news for the Pacers. I wonder if Fox Sports Midwest (St. Louis) would be interested in a similar deal since there's no hockey.
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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                  Here's more info:

                  http://blogs.pacers.com/pacers-games...-and-illinois/

                  Good news for Pacers fans residing in downstate Illinois and eastern and central Missouri: according to FOXSportsMidwest.com, 38 of the Pacers’ remaining 50 games this season can now be seen on FOX Sports Midwest and FOX Sports Midwest Plus in those areas, for the first time ever.

                  Eight of those games will air on FOX Sports Midwest with the remaining 30 on Fox Sports Midwest Plus. At this time, DirecTV and Dish won’t have the 30 games on their Plus channel because of technical seasons. However, the eight games on the primary network — starting with the Pacers-Heat game on Jan. 8 — can be seen DirecTV channel 671 and Dish 418.

                  Beginning tonight, with the Pacers game in Boston (8 PM EST), FOX Sports Midwest will have the game in an area that lacks an NBA presence. This expansion comes as the Pacers are atop the Central Division standings (after having the fifth-best NBA record last season) and helps fill a void of pro basketball in the market.

                  [Click here for a full list of what Pacers games will be shown and where.]

                  This isn’t the first new market picking up Pacers telecasts. Just before the regular season tipped in October, FOX Sports South in Kentucky announced they would show 26 games this season.

                  As usual, the broadcast crew of Chris Denari (play-by-play), Brooke Olzendam (sideline reporter/host) and analysts Quinn Buckner or Austin Croshere will be on the call.
                  Fox Sports Midwest just tweeted in response to my tweet to them:

                  Glad to hear it. DirecTV usually carries our FSM-Plus events, but tech. implementation hasn't been made yet for Pacers games.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                    I wish their response to me was as good as yours.....

                    Joe Wallace ‏@NotTawd
                    @FSMidwest Why won't Dish Network subscribers get to watch the #Pacers on FoxMW-Plus?? When can we expect to be able to??
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                    FOX Sports Midwest ‏@FSMidwest
                    @nottawd Don't know when. Hopefully in near future. It's a technical implementation that must be made. We'll do our best to keep fans posted
                    http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                      The Reds do a similar thing with FSI. Their flagship station is Fox Sports Ohio (1732 for us U-Verse users), but some games are also simulcast(ed?) on Fox Sports Indiana (1749 on U-Verse).
                      Last edited by Day-V; 01-04-2013, 05:35 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                        Yeah, I remember the good old days of Pacers on Fox Sports Midwest. Granted it was no NBA on NBC, but it was still nostalgic.

                        However, it's hard not to believe this has everything to do with the NHL lockout.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                          Sure enough, didn't get the game tonight. Called Directv to ask about Fox Sports Midwest Plus and the lady tried to sell me on Fox Soccer Plus. And while I enjoy soccer, that wasn't the reason I was calling. Looks like for sure I will be getting the Heat game next Tuesday.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                            FSMidwest blacked out, even though it's my RSN....Is it working for those of you in Indy or elsewhere??
                            http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                              I had it in Indy on DirecTV with FSI listed as "upcoming game - Bobcats" in the guide.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers Coming to Fox Sports Midwest

                                Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
                                FSMidwest blacked out, even though it's my RSN....Is it working for those of you in Indy or elsewhere??
                                Didn't work for me either. I was quite angry. Called Directv and they didn't offer me anything that helped. Said they were still 'negotiating' to make this happen, but I'm not sure what that even mean since the Pacers and FSMidwest already cut a deal.

                                My Dad called (he's a Directv customer as well) and they told him it was on in the St. Louis area. When my Dad mentioned that we're right smack in between St. Louis and Indy (a.k.a. closer to Indy than St. Louis is), the guy said, 'Yeah, you're right. That doesn't make sense that you wouldn't be getting it.' So...I have no idea.

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