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  • #61
    Re: Royce White refuses D league

    Anxiety disorder is a real, debilitating disorder. There's no question about it. It's a disease, not something that one can control. To suggest otherwise is insensitive.

    However... Royce White has more going on than a simple anxiety disorder. He has a criminal record, and some sketchy decision making in his past that's caused him to never really be settled throughout his basketball career.

    So the truth is somewhere in-between here. Anxiety is a real issue. But he also has displayed selfishness and carelessness in some of his decision making, which makes him a really challenging one to bet on.

    At least with DeMarcus Cousins, he's just a gregarious numbskull that can't control his emotions. This is a different circumstance.

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    • #62
      Re: Royce White refuses D league

      First off, Kuq is right. You can't properly diagnose from a distance. I don't know the kid.

      Next off, I'd bet that most NBA players are probably a bit narcissistic. Heck, I generally assume that anybody under the age of 40 (including myself) is a narcissist until proven otherwise. So is he MORE narcissistic than other NBA players, or the general population? Who knows. There's a reason the current DSM does away with this "disorder."

      But this:
      Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
      Half of his time on Twitter is spent ReTweeting people who degrade him and say they wish he would just kill himself already.
      is a bigger red flag than anything I've seen so far. That's seriously messed up, and not in a "general anxiety disorder" way. That's industrial-grade "look-at-me-and-affirm-me" behavior. I believe the hot recent term is "crowdsourcing the superego."
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      • #63
        Re: Royce White refuses D league

        My biggest gripe with Royce is that he isn't proposing any solutions. He's writing these frequent, vague, rambling statements about how the Rockets need to do more for him but hasn't been willing to meet them halfway or make compromises of any sort. Personally, I think they should be able to void his contract and keep his rights until he decides to make a serious attempt to play in the NBA.

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        • #64
          Re: Royce White refuses D league

          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
          First off, Kuq is right. You can't properly diagnose from a distance. I don't know the kid.

          Next off, I'd bet that most NBA players are probably a bit narcissistic. Heck, I generally assume that anybody under the age of 40 (including myself) is a narcissist until proven otherwise. So is he MORE narcissistic than other NBA players, or the general population? Who knows. There's a reason the current DSM does away with this "disorder."

          But this:

          is a bigger red flag than anything I've seen so far. That's seriously messed up, and not in a "general anxiety disorder" way. That's industrial-grade "look-at-me-and-affirm-me" behavior. I believe the hot recent term is "crowdsourcing the superego."
          I'd disagree with your general assumption, but that might say more about me being somewhat of an idealist who believes in inherent goodness rather than whether your assumption is correct or incorrect. "Who knows" is probably the best way to put that. The removal of narcissistic personality disorder from the DSM, along with a bunch of other personality "disorders" is a step in the right direction.

          I don't believe Royce intends to seek attention or receive affirmation by ReTweeting the hate he receives. I believe it's more about showing that these people exist in the world. His ReTweets highlight the reasons for why a stigma exists around mental illness, particularly the general ignorance exemplified by the common "suck it up" and "be a man" responses. However, Royce, with his criminal background and lack of transparency or specificity, is hardly the exemplary leader required to wage war on such a powerful and pervasive stigma.
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          • #65
            Re: Royce White refuses D league

            Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
            I'd disagree with your general assumption, but that might say more about me being somewhat of an idealist who believes in inherent goodness rather than whether your assumption is correct or incorrect. "Who knows" is probably the best way to put that. The removal of narcissistic personality disorder from the DSM, along with a bunch of other personality "disorders" is a step in the right direction.

            I don't believe Royce intends to seek attention or receive affirmation by ReTweeting the hate he receives. I believe it's more about showing that these people exist in the world. His ReTweets highlight the reasons for why a stigma exists around mental illness, particularly the general ignorance exemplified by the common "suck it up" and "be a man" responses. However, Royce, with his criminal background and lack of transparency or specificity, is hardly the exemplary leader required to wage war on such a powerful and pervasive stigma.
            I'll drink to that.
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            • #66
              Re: Royce White refuses D league

              He's finally suspended without pay. It's a sad situation but I think the team is in the right in citing breach of contract.


              http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/88...reach-contract

              HOUSTON -- The Houston Rockets suspended first-round pick Royce White for "refusing to provide services" required by his contract on Sunday.
              General manager Daryl Morey said Sunday that the team will continue to work with White in hopes of finding a resolution.


              White
              White will not be paid during his suspension.
              White refused his assignment to Houston's D-League affiliate a week ago. The 16th overall pick in the June draft has spent most of the season on Houston's inactive list while he and the team figure out how to handle his anxiety disorder and overall mental health.
              White has been vocal on Twitter throughout this saga, and he continued to voice his opinions on the website after the announcement Sunday.
              "What's suspending me suppose to do. I've been away from the team for a month ½. Guess we want to give it a title to shift accountability," he tweeted.
              That was the first in a string of tweets on the subject, and he then addressed Morey in the second one.
              "Threat, Fines, Suspension won't deter me. I won't accept illogical health decisions, I will keep asking for safety & health. #BeWell @dmorey," he tweeted.
              The Rockets chose White in the first round after a season at Iowa State, where he helped the Cyclones to their first NCAA tournament berth in seven years by leading the team in scoring (13.4 points a game), rebounds (9.3), assists (5.0), steals (1.2) and blocks (0.9).
              The 6-foot-8 White missed the first week of training camp to work with the Rockets to create an arrangement to deal with his anxiety disorder within the demands of the NBA's travel schedule. He and the team agreed to allow him to travel by bus to some games while he confronted his fear of flying and obsessive-compulsive disorder. He flew to Detroit with the team for the season opener and then traveled by bus to Atlanta and Memphis for games.
              But he soon stopped participating in team activities and said on Twitter that dealing with his mental health took precedence over his NBA career. Then came his decision last Sunday to refuse his assignment to the D-League. Despite that decision, he said then that he still hopes to return to basketball in the future.
              "And daily I'm just trying to stand up for my health and make sure that my health isn't neglected in an operation where, me and you both know, it's mostly about money," White said in a recent interview with Sirius/XM Radio. "And I'm kind of the only one that's going to sit in the situation and say, 'Hey, let's put the health thing first.' "
              Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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              • #67
                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                I find it absurd that he equates the Rockets asking him to, you know, practice/play as asking him to be unsafe. He's creating a false reality.

                He sure seems to be doing this all the wrong ways (Making it completely public, therefore exposing his idiocy)

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                • #68
                  Re: Royce White refuses D league

                  I'm not surprised if he has anxiety or depression. Many people have it. But refusing to go to the D league isn't going to help him. He should be able to "get that". It's not a mental disorder and he cannot make anxiety an excuse for this.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Royce White refuses D league

                    BTW, a torn ACL is a medical condition as well. I feel for his condition, but the fact he has anxiety or depression doesn't make him special. He's physically (and it is physical) unable to do his job. Life's tough and this guy is going to have to grow up like most people who face this issue.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Royce White refuses D league

                      I expect a response from the union on this within a day or 2. I know they're legally required to represent the players since they take their money, but I'd hope they'd also consider what's fair for all the players. At the very least they should just advise White he doesn't have a leg to stand on and needs to report to work.
                      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Royce White refuses D league

                        I don't have a problem with Royce wanting to put his health before his NBA career. If he's serious about getting his disorders under control, I wish him the best.

                        I also don't have a problem with the Rockets suspending him and I think they might've waited too long to do it. He's bordering on insubordination. Why can't he practice with the team? Why can't he practice with the D-League team? If his anxiety is so bad that he can't do those things, he should agree to take an unpaid leave.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Royce White refuses D league

                          I really am unaware of this guy and his problems until recently when everything just got out of hand. I just don't get why he ever considered entering the NBA. Let's say everything about his anxiety is true. But he knows that flights are necessary in the NBA. If you have a great fear of heights, would you consider jobs that require you to be on high places like cleaning windows outside in tall buildings? It is either you defy your fears or limitations and man up to the job at hand or you accept your limitations and find a work that will not cause your anxieties or fears to build up more.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Royce White refuses D league

                            Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                            I really am unaware of this guy and his problems until recently when everything just got out of hand. I just don't get why he ever considered entering the NBA.
                            For the paycheck. This had to have been his plan all along. I mean, he can't be surprised by this.
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                            • #74
                              Re: Royce White refuses D league

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              For the paycheck. This had to have been his plan all along. I mean, he can't be surprised by this.
                              Is he aware that he is on a contractual basis? In the end, he jeopardized his whole basketball career and paycheck, and may even cause him to pay back if he'll be slapped with a lawsuit.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                                Alot of you are giving this guy too much benefit. There was one point where he complained that not getting regular PT was causing him to have too much anxiety. He has created and fed this false reality of how things should work, and he expects the Rockets to conform. Yet it seems like he hasn't offered up any real solutions, and is using his disability as a crutch. This guy doesn't want to go to the D league, but the D league travels by bus almost exclusively. Which would be good for him while he develops his game further. Baby steps, but this guy expects some sort of immediate solution from the Rockets. Pretty silly.
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