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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

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  • #76
    Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

    You know your night is ****ed when Petro hits a teardrop.

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    • #77
      Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

      Originally posted by Dece View Post
      Because we've given no reason to believe they won't? I mean, I know not everyone lives next door to Memphis and watches all their games, but c'mon, just look at the standings. They have the best starting 5 in basketball and we aren't fairing well against top tier teams this season. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible that we'll win, but you'd be a fool to bet against it, unless given points. To go further with that, they are the better us. We want to be them. We want to have the best starting 5 (which they do), we want to have the best interior play (which they do), we want to be "smash mouth" in a way that scares top flight teams (like they do). It's not a bad thing to be worse than Memphis, especially sans Granger, but no one can logically claim we're better than them right now.
      I am no stranger to the Grizzlies. I may not watch them daily but I pay attention to them and like them a lot. As you said, they are extremely similar with our own team. There's no reason for a Pacer fan to not like the Grizzlies. We produce a quite similar product.

      Sans Granger, we are certainly worse than them. The Grizzlies are contenders in the West. There's no shame in being worse than a contender without your best player. When Granger returns we will be just like them. Contenders in the East in the same manner that they are contenders in the West. Not by star power but by building an amazing starting 5 and wearing our opponents down with our physicality.

      Therefore, I wouldn't say that the Grizzlies are the better us. They are the healthy us. I look at them and see a reflection of my beloved Pacers

      But since the Grizzlies are so much like the Pacers, I know one thing. There's always a chance against them. They don't blow teams out. They are prone to scoring droughts. And we match up well with them because we're so similar. They surely have the upper hand. But we finally get a good team in OUR court. We're good against them when we're playing in OUR court. We just cannot get it done away from home without our best player.

      I expect a dog fight. I expect a very physical and defensive-minded game. I don't expect either team to break the 100 point mark. I expect it to be close. I expect to love it

      I just don't get the whole "being abused" notion. That's all. You've expressed the opinion that we are not good as good as a rebounding team as we currently seem. You said earlier that this game will prove your point and that you expect us to be heavily out-rebounded. If the rebounding battle ends up close what are you going to say?
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #78
        Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

        All the people who say Hibbert is better than Marc Gasol may get a brutal taste of medicine on Monday afternoon.
        There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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        • #79
          Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

          Originally posted by boombaby1987 View Post
          All the people who say Hibbert is better than Marc Gasol may get a brutal taste of medicine on Monday afternoon.
          I don't remember anyone saying that Hibbert is better. I remember people saying that Hibbert and Gasol are similar players and thus deserve similar contracts.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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          • #80
            Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

            Man man man. What is to be done with Hibbert? He typically plays better than average defense, but he's an absolute liability on the other end of the court. He can't be 1 dimensional-- he's not Ben Wallace out there, with strength and quickness. If he can't make it happen on both ends of the court, this franchise is fcked for 4-5 yrs. Or more. I think the guy is a joke. Complete joke.


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            • #81
              Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

              West value is never going to be this high.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #82
                Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                West value is never going to be this high.
                That's probably true as well
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  having a can't leave him shooter in the 2nd unit would really help
                  Green?
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                    @PeterVecsey1: Last astounding stat courtesy of Roy Hibbert who performed like a hobbit in L 2 Atl: 1R, 0-2 FG, 21M. Would pay 2 hear Mel Daniels' thoughts
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                      How many legit opportunities did Roy have to get a rebound, I remember him coming out to challenge shots (thus taking away from the basket) and ATL didn't miss much at all in the first half. What was it, like 60 something percent, not many rebounds up for grabs. Plus, we shot the ball well also, decreasing offensive rebounds. I know that 1 rebound is still bad, but, there wasn't much room for improvement in this game. I don't really recall any times he got outright beat for one ( I'm sure he did though, maybe a couple).
                      As for his points, he only took two (that's 2) shots. One was like an 18 footer I believe. And with the team already doing well shooting, why would he demand touches.

                      So yea, box score looks terrible, but he wasn't used/needed on offense, and didn't have many rebounding chances, and he only played 21 minutes. I actually felt that we needed him in the last few minutes.

                      Well, just my 2 cents.
                      PG24: "Don't tell me the sky is the limit when there are footprints on the moon!"

                      RT @Hoya2aPacer "When I play this game I love. I play to make my teammates better. But I'm a mouther****er on defense."

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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                        Atlanta is a major bogey team for us we can never seem to beat them.

                        i would be worried if we came up against them in the playoffs.
                        Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                          Originally posted by Richard_Skull View Post
                          How many legit opportunities did Roy have to get a rebound...................... didn't have many rebounding chances.
                          Well, I'll just disagree. How many times have you heard that rebounding (and defense) is all about effort and desire ?? I'll say that Hibbert never put himself in a position to get a rebound and/or just didn't want to work hard enough to get one.

                          The majority of the games, he's the biggest guy on the court. A little effort, a little desire, a little hard work and he wouldn't be putting up so many of these 'WTF' games. So typical - get the big contract, kick back and relax. Look at some of the games from last year - when he was working to get the big contract. Completely different player than he is this year. He doesn't need coaching to turn things around - he needs a good, solid kick in the - choose a body part.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            @PeterVecsey1: Last astounding stat courtesy of Roy Hibbert who performed like a hobbit....
                            Bilbo takes umbrage at that remark.


                            "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

                            - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                              Well, I'll just disagree. How many times have you heard that rebounding (and defense) is all about effort and desire ?? I'll say that Hibbert never put himself in a position to get a rebound and/or just didn't want to work hard enough to get one.

                              The majority of the games, he's the biggest guy on the court. A little effort, a little desire, a little hard work and he wouldn't be putting up so many of these 'WTF' games. So typical - get the big contract, kick back and relax. Look at some of the games from last year - when he was working to get the big contract. Completely different player than he is this year. He doesn't need coaching to turn things around - he needs a good, solid kick in the - choose a body part.
                              He had 3 or 4 boxouts in the first quarter that led to another Pacer getting the rebound in the first half that I saw. And then on the play following his first rebound he did it again only to have George Hill cut under and take the reboudn before he grabbed it. He was working hard, it just didn't accomplish anything.
                              Time for a new sig.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers/Hawks Postgame Thread 12/29/12

                                My take on this game, specifically, was that Atlanta was shooting lights-out. They were just having a night where every shot was falling. Our defense could've been a little better, but, they were hitting EVERYTHING! Atlanta won't have too many nights like that. Meanwhile, we would get open looks, and miss.

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