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    To bucks? Says this on the bottom line of ESPNews. Anyone hear more on this can't find much info. Says it is a 3 team deal.

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    Knicks get:
    Tim Thomas
    Nazr Mohammed

    Bucks get:
    Keith Van Horn

    Hawks get:
    Michael Doleac
    Joel Pryzbilla
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    I'm not sure why the Bucks feel they need Van Horn. I know they were disappointed with Thomas, but why have both Van Horn and Kukoc when they're both similar?

    Knicks improve themselves I guess, though I'm not sure. It could turn out to be a lateral move.

    Hawks, well....I guess if the Pacers want Jason Terry cheap they should look to get him now.

    Overall, it's a meaningless deal IMO.
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    Knicks are beginning to disturb me.

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    Knicks are beginning to disturb me.
    This is real scary...marbury and thomas now....really worries me...
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    Knicks are beginning to disturb me.
    I dunno, think that trade actually makes them better? Tim Thomas isn't really better than Van Horn in any area. Mohammad.. not that impressive but decent backup C. Injury concern though.

    And their salary situation is pretty insane. Only way they would really worry me is next season if Wallace actually goes there for the MLE. Probably have 100 mill+ payroll then =\

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    I'd rather have Van Horn than Thomas. Especially since Van Horn's contract is much shorter.
    They're equal in length, with Thomas' being worth a shade less according to Knicks fans.

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    Mohammad makes 5 mill a year too for as long as Thomas though so they take on a bit more salary here even if Thomas makes a tad less than Van Horn.

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    Yep, they're right too:

    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/milwaukee.htm

    http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

    Thomas:

    11.8
    12.9
    14.0

    Van Horn:

    13.2
    14.5
    15.7

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    Mohammad makes 5 mill a year too for as long as Thomas though so they take on a bit more salary here even if Thomas makes a tad less than Van Horn.
    They dropped Doleac, too.

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    Kukoc and Van Horn are not that similar

    Kukoc is a great passer in fact that is his very best skill.

    Van Horn is not a good passer at all.

    Kukoc is no more like Van Horn than Croshere is and yet they get compared also.

    The Knicks are trying to get more athletic

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    Mohammad makes 5 mill a year too for as long as Thomas though so they take on a bit more salary here even if Thomas makes a tad less than Van Horn.
    They dropped Doleac, too.
    Ah, but Nazr does make more I see. Hmm. Wonder how that worked under the CBA then.

    Nazr's is like 5mil a year, and Doleac's is 1.5mil. Hmm.

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    Well Atlanta is below the cap probably so perhaps that equates into things.

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    As much as this sounds weird, but I think the Knicks will really miss Doleac later on. The guy can shoot the ball, and is unselfish.

    Thomas is very overrated and had a chance to be a decent-good player, but didn't prove that. The Knicks did want to be a better defensive team though and they did that. Hawks clear more cap-space, and the Bucks get a big guy who can score and rebound although his defense is questionable, which may end up hurting the Bucks. Solid trade all-around.
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    Of course NOW the Pacers are done with the Hawks. Doleac is going to be the Hawks starting center... lol. Their line-up still isn't bad though.

    Terry
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    Boris
    Rasheed
    Doleac

    They can still compete but will probably be very different. I don't think Terry will be traded mainly for the fact that it seems they aren't getting very good offers. I think pretty much everyone else is a free-agent besides Boris who they really like. Too bad the Pacers don't really have anything the Hawks would want, within reason, besides Harrington; just imagine Mercer's contract still on the team.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    What's with New York?

    Can't their pro teams raise their players and draft well?

    They always gotta go get someone else's players.

    Although, I think neither the Yankees nor the Knicks have improved because of their trades today.

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    Mohammad makes 5 mill a year too for as long as Thomas though so they take on a bit more salary here even if Thomas makes a tad less than Van Horn.
    They dropped Doleac, too.
    Ah, but Nazr does make more I see. Hmm. Wonder how that worked under the CBA then.

    Nazr's is like 5mil a year, and Doleac's is 1.5mil. Hmm.
    Yeah this trade can't work that way I would think. The Knicks are taking a lot more salary back than they give up, and they're over the cap so I would think the deal can't be done. I need an explanation on that though if it can be done. I know Atlanta doesn't have to take back equal salary, but I believe the Knicks have to. Hmm.. this should get interesting.
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    People are looking to much at Thomas & Van Horn on this, well I guess they are the princaples but still. The addition of Nazr Mohammed is, to me the main thing Isiah did here.

    Nazr hasn't yet proved he is capable of being a night in & night out starter but he has already proven to be one of the best backup centers in the N.B.A.

    This now allows Motumbo to play less min. during the regular season & now will not force Kurt Thomas to play center min. so much.

    Tim Thomas is a decent player. IMO, trading him & Van Horn is kind of a wash. BTW, didn't these two already get traded for each other once when Thomas was just a draft pick?

    My first reaction to this was to think the N.B.A. should step in & stop the move & not allow Atlanta to make anymore moves because they are destoying their franchise for the HOPE of salary cap. space (like anybody is going to sign there) but upon further review I actually don't think they came away from this as bad as I first thought.

    Niether Doleac nor Pryzbilla are as good as Nazr on their own. However this now gives Atlanta a starter & a backup center instead of just one center who really was a good backup.

    Still not a good trade, but not the salary cap. dump I first thought it was.


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    Trade works on realgm trade checker ID# 1508064

    Using Hoopshype's numbers, the Knicks trade 14.8 million in salary and get back 16.8 million. That's within the 115 percent required range. They could have taken back a little over 17 million.

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    What's with New York?

    Can't their pro teams raise their players and draft well?

    They always gotta go get someone else's players.

    Although, I think neither the Yankees nor the Knicks have improved because of their trades today.
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    Bad trade IMO.

    Doleac for Mohammed's roughly a lateral deal IMO. Mohammed's a better defender while Doleac's better on offense - the problem is Mohammed's making 3X the money - and Doleac works EXTREMELY WELL with Marbury on the pick-and-roll.

    But that's not the real problem here. The real problem is the KVH-for-Thomas part of the equation. Thomas is one of the great NBA underachievers. Now maybe Zeke and Lenny can turn him into the player he was supposed to be in which case I'll change my tune. Guess what - he's in his 7th year in the league. He's established what he is - particularly last year when he was handed the team after Robinson was traded.

    So what'd we gain from this? We lost scoring. We lost rebounding in a big way. I could live with that if we got someone like James Posey who could defend but Thomas just may be a worse defender than KVH. KVH isn't gonna make anyone forget Shaq but at least he has some post moves. TT doesn't.

    Bad deal IMO though I guess the miracle could happen and TT turns into the 2nd coming of KG like he was supposed to be.
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    on realgm, buck fans are happy about the trade. their take is that kvh is a little better in most departments and is much better in rebounding (and equally bad defensively). timmy may be athletic but he has never done much with it.

    i guess milwaukee has just finally given up on tim thomas and his potential.

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    What's with New York?

    Although, I think neither the Yankees nor the Knicks have improved because of their trades today.
    The Yankees went from no third baseman to having the best player in baseball there now. The hole at second should not be a problem, not with the improvement on the other side.

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    Kukoc and Van Horn are not that similar

    Kukoc is a great passer in fact that is his very best skill.

    Van Horn is not a good passer at all.

    Kukoc is no more like Van Horn than Croshere is and yet they get compared also.

    The Knicks are trying to get more athletic
    OK, at the risk of being called "politically incorrect" (not that I mind being called that), I'm going to bring up a pattern that I'm sure I'm not the first to observe.

    I think I. Thomas has a problem with white people. I see his phrase "more athletic" as being code for "blacker".

    Look at what he did to Croshere.

    Look at his 20-year "cold" relationship with Larry Bird.

    You KNOW it kills him to watch Carlisle's success.

    Last month he traded away Lampe in the Marbury deal. (insignificant in itself).

    Now he dumps 2 white players for 2 "more athletic" players.

    He has now gotten rid of all three of the Knicks "less athletic" players in his first month.

    (They may or may NOT be more athletic, but being more athletic isn't a guarantee of winning basketball. Who'd you rather have? Freddie Jones or Jerry West? Jones is a lot more athletic than Jerry West...).

    I recall IT's incident last year about this time when he was stopped on the freeway (can't remember what the complaint was), but he insinuated that he had been the victim of some kind of racism.

    Yes, I know that you're not supposed to say these kinds of things, but I believe it's true.

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    I think I. Thomas has a problem with white people.
    Yep, and he never started Zan Tabak, Jeff Foster, and Brad Miller, either. Or hired Ron Rothstein, Brendan Malone (twice), or Jim Stack (twice.)
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    I think I. Thomas has a problem with white people. I see his phrase "more athletic" as being code for "blacker".

    Look at what he did to Croshere.
    Sorry, I missed it. What did Thomas do to Croshere? If there's anything this year has shown, it's that Croshere should have played LESS than he did under Thomas.

    If we had Brad instead of Pollard, Croshere would be averaging a DNP-CD. That's less than Thomas gave him.

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