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    NBA's Granik Says It's `Always Possible' Brawl Bans Will Be Cut
    2004-12-07 15:12 (New York)

    NBA's Granik Says It's `Always Possible' Brawl Bans Will Be Cut

    By Scott Soshnick
    Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- The National Basketball Association's
    second-in-command said it's ``always possible'' that the brawl-
    related suspensions given to Indiana's Ron Artest and his
    teammates will be reduced on appeal to Commissioner David Stern.
    ``Very often they're worked out,'' Russ Granik, the NBA
    deputy commissioner, said in an interview at his office in
    Manhattan.
    Stern suspended Artest for the remainder of the season, or
    73 games, for instigating a brawl with Detroit Pistons fans at
    the Palace of Auburn Hills, Michigan. Stephen Jackson was
    suspended for 30 games, while Jermaine O'Neal got a 25-game ban
    for their roles in the Nov. 19 melee, which might lead to players
    and fans being charged with misdemeanor assault.
    The players union appealed Artest's ban -- the longest in
    NBA history that didn't involve drugs -- and the others, saying
    they are too severe. In 1995, Vernon Maxwell was suspended for 10
    games for entering the stands and striking a fan. The union also
    is asking an arbitrator to hear the appeal so Stern wouldn't be
    ruling on suspensions that he imposed.
    According to Granik, 20-25 percent of appeals of suspensions
    or fines are reduced. He wouldn't comment specifically about the
    Pacers.

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    Players who are appealing punishments frequently cite their
    behavior before they got in trouble as reason for leniency,
    Granik said.
    ``A player will come in and state that he's had a perfect
    record,'' he said.
    That argument might not work for Artest, who had been
    suspended for 15 games since the 2002-03 season for a variety of
    transgressions.
    The league contends that its labor contract gives the
    commissioner sole authority over punishments stemming from on-
    court matters. The union says the incident occurred in the stands
    and not on the court.
    Arbitrator Roger Kaplan on Thursday will hold a hearing to
    decide whether he or Stern should hear the appeal. If Kaplan
    sides with the union, then a hearing will be conducted on whether
    the punishments were too severe.
    The league, meantime, last week filed suit in federal court
    in New York claiming that Kaplan doesn't have the authority to
    hear the case.
    The legal wrangling won't hurt the players' chances of
    having the penalties reduced if their appeals ever reach Stern,
    Granik said.
    ``I can't imagine that a player's or lawyer's attempts at
    some legal maneuver would affect the proceedings,'' he said.
    Prosecutors in Oakland County, Michigan, will announce
    tomorrow whether the players and fans involved will be charged.

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    Again, the league keeps signaling that it is leaving itself open to reducing JO's suspension.

    Perhaps that's why they didn't get a restraining order against Kaplan's arbitration ruling.

    Once he rules that he doesn't have authority, then the Simons can get to work and negotiate with Stern to get JO's punishment reduced while there is still time to reduce it.
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    What if tomorrow Kaplan says he does have authority.

    Then NBA will go to fed court and drag on for another few weeks (or month?) then all becomes meaningless (to the Pacers).

    It seems now the only place we could get the reduction from is David Stern, and the only timely way to get it is to have Kaplan hand the appeal case over to him.

    Because whatever reduction the arbitrator gives tomorrow (be it a 1 game reduction or a 50) will not matter anyway anyhow, unless the federal court says otherwise.

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    Again, the league keeps signaling that it is leaving itself open to reducing JO's suspension.
    JO hammered two people who were not threatening him, according to the prosecutor. I do not expect JO's 25 game suspension to be reduced, although I certainly would like it to happen.

    Now that Ron Artest has been absolved from blame for hitting the fan who came to the floor, I think he has a better chance of having his suspension reduced to something more livable.

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    He was absolved from criminal blame, but I don't see how that helps his cause with the NBA, which is holding him to a higher standard than, "Just don't be a criminal."

    As for JO, this incident notwithstanding, he's been squeaky-clean with the league, and in fact he's been a true international ambassador for the league. His actions may have earned him one more misdemeanor than Ron, but he's not the guy with a long track record that led the charge into the stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay@Section204
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    He was absolved from criminal blame, but I don't see how that helps his cause with the NBA, which is holding him to a higher standard than, "Just don't be a criminal."
    The NBA's standards are higher than "Just don't be a criminal?" Could have fooled me.

    More like "Don't make us look bad on National TV," maybe.

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    The Court of NBA does not care about justice.

    It does not assess penalty based on the crime.

    It does it solely based on the damage.

    Or, financial damage.

    Meaning, if you did something AND got caught on a national TV game, that's bigger damage and you get longer suspensions than someone else who did the same on a local TV only game, or someone who did the same on national TV but did not get caught.

    regardless of your reason of doing it.

    regardless of whether the Court of Law thinks you are justified to do it or not.

    even regardless of whether you actually did what you "appeared to be doing" as captured by TV camera, or not.

    In summary: the damage is done, you pay the price, fair or not.

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    The NBA has gotten a great burst of energy out of this fiasco and I believe it will be '"must see TV" for a lot of casual fans, if the Pistons and Pacers meet in the playoffs with both squads at full strength. What is important is that the players concentrate on playing ball when they meet; I think they will. The stakes are now too high to do otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthman
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    The NBA has gotten a great burst of energy out of this fiasco and I believe it will be '"must see TV" for a lot of casual fans, if the Pistons and Pacers meet in the playoffs with both squads at full strength. What is important is that the players concentrate on playing ball when they meet; I think they will. The stakes are now too high to do otherwise.
    Yeah...I'm sure Stern secretly loves the fact that for the next few years, Pacers VS. Pistons games will be highly regarded amongst the public. And most likely, draw people's attention whether they are basketball fans or not. It's all about the $$$.

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