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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    Anyone have Netflix? Is it worth it? My wife wants to get it

  • #2
    Re: Netflix

    I don't have it but you can try it for free for a month. I know a lot of people who have it and love it.

    You need to have a fast enough internet connection to stream movies and shows. Keep that in mind. You might also consider Hulu. Netflix is for more of watching movies while Hulu seems to have a more in-depth, up-to-date selection of TV shows/series.

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    • #3
      Re: Netflix

      I subscribed to Netflix for several years before everything changed. I don't subscribe anymore, but I suppose it still has its uses for a lot of people.
      "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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      • #4
        Re: Netflix

        We've been subscribers for years. Started streaming-only last year. Come to think of it, we havent used it in about a month. And really haven't used it much lately. It is nice to have, so we won't getting rid of it anytime soon. It's worth the small fee. I've watched (and enjoyed) movies & documenteries that I normally wouldn't try just because it's pre-paid and I can turn them off without feeling guilty. I recommend Family Video if there is one near you. We pay the $10 per month and get movies half off. It's nice to get bluray movies and PS3 games for $1.50-$2 and Netflix can take a minute to get the newer stuff. But yes, try Netflix.

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        • #5
          Re: Netflix

          I was a Netflix user for a year/year and a half before they split up the disk services and the streaming only. However, for the price that you pay, it's a pretty good deal. I used it more for TV shows than anything, you can plow through stuff on there in no time and it saves you from buying entire seasons on DVD. Once they split the services, we cancelled but I've thought about going back in the future, especially once the new Arrested Development episodes are released on there.

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          • #6
            Re: Netflix

            Have had Netflix for over a year now.

            If you like watching tv shows, then it's perfect. They have a lot of shows available to stream. If you want to watch the latest movies, it's a pain waiting for those DVDs.

            Thinking about cancelling until they start streaming new movies. I hate having to do DVD and streaming. I just want to stream. What a pain.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #7
              Re: Netflix

              I would definitely suggest trying HULU or HULU plus as well as netflix.

              If you have (or know someone who has) an .edu email account I think HULU even does 1 month free.

              I used to love netflix, and even swore by it in college. Netflix really soured me with many things, the biggest being the total lack of communication and the stupid attempt to split netflix into two companies.

              That said, I loved it when I had it. My big suggestion would be to make sure you have time, otherwise you are wasting money hard core. If time is a problem, (at one time I was on the 5 DVD at a time, and when I first got into Sopranos I was going through almost 15-20 a month) then I would suggest going another route, maybe redbox. When I stopped netflix I was on the 3 unlimited plus streaming, and normally 3 sat for a whole month where the last couple of days I would try to watch one movie.

              Lastly, when I left streaming sucked. I have friends who tell me it has gotten better, but I really had high hopes for netflix streaming. Clearly netflix lost out on some kind of contract, because to be blunt the content has sucked

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              • #8
                Re: Netflix

                Netflix lost the Starz streaming contract in February I think, but even then, it's still got a good selection of old school tv shows. I'd like to see maybe a contract with Showtime for Dexter and Homeland, but even so, I like what I have with their streaming service.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #9
                  Re: Netflix

                  I think Netflix just got Disney movies.

                  Anyway, I've had Netflix for many years now with only brief suspensions of my account when I knew I wasn't going to use it.

                  For the last few years I've been streaming-only for $8 a month, and I think at that price it's worth having even when I don't use it much. It's the same reason I keep Hulu Plus (also $8 a month). Between the two, when I do find free time it makes my Apple TV pretty versatile; I can look for content on Netflix and Hulu, or if I want to check out something more recent I can opt to pay to rent through iTunes a new release.

                  Anyway, speaking specifically of Netflix, the content continues to be spotty or lacking, but at the same time there are still plenty of gems in there as well with regards to movies and television shows. I think the more you are into mature shows (like Breaking Bad) the more likely you will find things you like.

                  I recently got my sister to try it, but she's in mommy mode and doesn't want to watch anything dark, and on the family and kid front it appears to be more dearth in selections. Although, again, they just recently made a deal with Disney, so that could be different now.

                  On the whole, I definitely recommend at least trying it. If nothing else, that will let you decide for yourself if there's enough content to satisfy you and to also see how well your Internet connection can handle the streaming video.

                  Fortunately, I have a fiber optic ISP and it's solid as a rock 95% of the time, and the times it is not I believe are either router issues or server-side issues, meaning it's them, not me.

                  But usually it's great and looks very good.

                  It's getting to the point where I think in another decade we won't use optical discs for our movies anymore. If everyone goes high-speed fiber, eventually the infrastructure will be there to where we can just quickly download or just stream movies that are 100% bluray quality (or 4K or whatever is the trend by then) without the need for a storage medium. That's starting to come into existence on a more primitive level via iTunes; I pay $25 a year for iTunes Match, and now any song or video I buy or redeem though iTunes, I have the right to re-download it to any capable device as many times as needed. Eventually, the quality will go up to where it's the same quality as a blu-ray.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Netflix

                    Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                    Netflix lost the Starz streaming contract in February I think, but even then, it's still got a good selection of old school tv shows. I'd like to see maybe a contract with Showtime for Dexter and Homeland, but even so, I like what I have with their streaming service.
                    My wifes and I love it for Law and Order SVU, and I agree it has a decent selection.

                    I guess I just had higher hopes

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                    • #11
                      Re: Netflix

                      Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                      My wifes and I love it for Law and Order SVU, and I agree it has a decent selection.

                      I guess I just had higher hopes

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                      • #12
                        Re: Netflix

                        It's the best deal on the internet. The British TV drama and documentary selection is really good. I get the $7.99 streaming deal and I love it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Netflix

                          If I understand the Netflix deal with Disney (which doesn't start immediately but whenever Disney's current contracts expire) is that they will be exclusive content to Netflix for not just streaming but Pay TV channels (HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc). Pay channels will not have them. IOW, if you want to see the latest Disney release you'll have to have a Netflix subscription... just having a premium subscription for your cable won't be enough. I would assume PPV won't be affected though...
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #14
                            Re: Netflix

                            I know they have at least some of the Disney stuff already in there because I watched a little bit of the Fox and the Hound last week.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Netflix

                              Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                              I know they have at least some of the Disney stuff already in there because I watched a little bit of the Fox and the Hound last week.
                              I think the key here is 'exclusive' as well as the fact they will be getting the Disney stuff and not Pay TV like HBO or Showtime, etc...

                              IOW, they've changed the game from the way we've always known it - PPV release, then DVD release, then Pay TV release, then Broadcast and/or Standard Cable TV release. So, if I understand the deal correctly, even if you subscribe to all Pay TV movie channels, to watch Disney you're going to need a Netflix subscription.

                              Personally, I don't like these kind of deals. I didn't like it when the movie channels all started making deals with the studios and content became exclusive to one network or the other. The consumer doesn't win in these deals.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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