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Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

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  • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
    and you are a West hater why??? He is our 2nd best player at this point, and our go to guy on offense right now, he is our veteran leader, he is basically the heart of this team. How could you hate him?
    He doesn't hate West, in general. He only hates his defense. Oh, and he prefers Nene.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

      Originally posted by BobbyMac View Post
      Actually I believe that West is not our best player but is our most important player.
      He is up there, for sure.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Roy was our best player last year him been an all star proves that.
        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        I also forgot my guy Hill and probably Roy, yes I take Hill over Danny too, I would take Paul George, West, Hill, Roy and then Danny(if healthy).
        Last year Granger was our best scorer and our most consistent defender. He was our second best post defender and our second best wing defender. Hibbert was great about help defense, and Paul George was great in on ball defense. That's a pretty strong statement to say he's our fifth best player after a down season where he was still leading our team.

        And you know the all-star was given because Hibbert was voted in as a top center, not because he was the next best available player. No reason to throw bait out there like that.
        Last edited by aamcguy; 12-20-2012, 10:33 PM.
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        • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          Nope. Being an All Star is positional based. Danny wasn't in the All Star game for 3 reasons:

          1) LeBron plays in the East. He is a lock for starting SF in the AS game.

          2) The Bulls had the best record in the league and thus had to be awarded with 2 AS spots. Who was the second best player in the Bulls? Luol Deng. What position does he play? SF. He goes in the AS then.

          3) Danny was in a shooting slump pre-ASG. He was much, much better post-ASG.
          He was good for like a month( I even thought he was playing at a superstar level)but still he was not the Pacers best player last year not even close.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            I have no idea. You tell me.



            You did the same last season as well. So, cut that off-season crap. It will not work. We all know that it's not true.

            Last season, almost after every tough loss you'd chime in and post threads about why this team "will never go forward".



            I don't get all hyped up over a victory either. A win is always good against any opponent but at the grand scheme of things it's only 1 more W in the W/L column on an 82 game season. I'll just take it and move on to the next game.

            And that's the exact same thing I do after a loss. I don't get too down either. In the end, a loss is a loss and a win is a win. What matters is our final record and the playoff seed that we earned.



            I don't think that Danny Granger is a star. But then again, I don't give a flying **** about "stars".



            I don't. I think that Roy is way more mentally strong than 95% of the forum. It takes a mentally strong individual to be able to acknowledge his mistakes and shortcomings. Turning your weaknesses into strength. Only a strong-willed individual can do this.



            As I said, I didn't get all fired up after a win like last night. In the grand scheme of things it has minimal value apart from 1 more W in the W column. The only reason that I'm posting in this thread is to debunk some stupid arguments.

            Yes, you have every right to complain about the debacle in Milwaukee. But that doesn't mean that those complaints had any factual value.

            All of the available stats (be it advanced defensive stats or the schedule itself) are pointing out that the Pacers are on the rise and that they will continue to be on the rise as they get a lot more games at home.

            It just saddens me when I see people so blinded by their self-imposed negativity that they fail to appreciate their teams.
            All that nonsense you just posted has no merit what so ever to it. You do not live here, you do not feel the pulse of the fanbase here. You have no history what so ever w,ith this franchise except you chose to be a fan I guess. The Pacers are average their record bears that out. They are not popular in their own town. The attendence is proof of that. The national media and even local media do not talk much about them. That is because they have become irrelevent to most people. That means most people here don't like the product that much. These are the facts and they are supported. Now I will sit back and wait for your argument about how it is the fans fault for not showing blind loyalty to a franchise that for many years lost its way.

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            • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

              Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
              Last year Granger was our best scorer and our most consistent defender. He was our second best post defender and our second best wing defender. Hibbert was great about help defense, and Paul George was great in on ball defense. That's a pretty strong statement to say he's our fifth best player after a down season where he was still leading our team.

              And you know the all-star was given because Hibbert was voted in as a top center, not because he was the next best available player. No reason to throw bait out there like that.
              Green?
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                and you are a West hater why??? He is our 2nd best player at this point, and our go to guy on offense right now, he is our veteran leader, he is basically the heart of this team. How could you hate him?
                He spoke frequently and forcefully about how West was a mistake of a signing. It's been fun watching him come around.

                Just like it will be fun watching him come around once Danny gets back.
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                • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                  Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                  Augustin, Plumlee, Green so far have done nothing to make this team better than it was. In fact it is worse.
                  Wait, wait, wait. I agree that Augustin's been a significant disappointment. And Green's not been as good as I'd hoped, but I expect him to develop into his role as the season goes on.

                  But Plumlee? What's the beef there? First off, I'd certainly hope you're not expecting a late-20s pick to immediately make the team better. I was just hoping that any player we got there would be able to play in the NBA. Mr. Plumlee is vastly exceeding my expectations so far. Don't throw him in there just because you're trying to make your list of "mistakes" bigger.
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                  • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Green?
                    Not at all. Granger's mental lapses included a missed backdoor cut or a dumb foul every now and then. I always trusted him to do what was necessary. PG wouldnt take plays off, but he was routinely beat running around screens and would make mental mistakes more often. I said he was our more consistent defender, not our best.
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      He was good for like a month( I even thought he was playing at a superstar level)but still he was not the Pacers best player last year not even close.
                      I am glad you are on here. They hate your arguments as much as they do mine I think. I agree with most of your comments. I think it is funny that they think we are less fans because we have different opinions on the direction of the team.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                        Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                        I am glad you are on here. They hate your arguments as much as they do mine I think. I agree with most of your comments. I think it is funny that they think we are less fans because we have different opinions on the direction of the team.
                        because you have no solid facts on why you don't like the direction of where the team is going, here are some reason I like them.
                        42-24 last season
                        took the eventual NBA champions heat to 6 games and had a great shot to beat them
                        Paul George is developing into a special player
                        14-12 this season without Granger

                        Look at all of the close games we have had this year, put Granger in some of those teams and i bet we would be around 17-9 or 18-8 right now

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                        • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                          Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                          All that nonsense you just posted has no merit what so ever to it. You do not live here, you do not feel the pulse of the fanbase here. You have no history what so ever w,ith this franchise except you chose to be a fan I guess. The Pacers are average their record bears that out. They are not popular in their own town. The attendence is proof of that. The national media and even local media do not talk much about them. That is because they have become irrelevent to most people. That means most people here don't like the product that much. These are the facts and they are supported. Now I will sit back and wait for your argument about how it is the fans fault for not showing blind loyalty to a franchise that for many years lost its way.
                          SO because he doesn't live in Indy nor the US, he doesn't "feel the pulse of the fanbase"? I'd think the fanbase includes most of PD. Afterall, why would we be a part of this forum if we weren't die hard fans? Not every die hard fan lives in Indy, apparently they don't have to live in the US either (as Nuntius has shown) So to say that he doesn't feel the "pulse" of the fanbase is completely false. He's as big of a fan of the Pacers as you, me, and any other poster here on PD.

                          In fact, if you read his posts you can easily gauge how much he knows about the Pacers, the NBA, and basketball period.

                          Bottom line, this definitely has to be one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen. NONE of us have any "history" with the team. We're all just fans who like to discuss the Pacers as well as basketball (well most of us) No one's opinion on here is 100% fact, no matter what anybody says. So instead of focusing on where someone lives and determining whether or not they "have a pulse on the fanbase", you should probably learn to defend your arguments and ideas a little better.

                          Just an observers opinion....

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                          • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                            All that nonsense you just posted has no merit what so ever to it. You do not live here, you do not feel the pulse of the fanbase here. You have no history what so ever w,ith this franchise except you chose to be a fan I guess. The Pacers are average their record bears that out. They are not popular in their own town. The attendence is proof of that. The national media and even local media do not talk much about them. That is because they have become irrelevent to most people. That means most people here don't like the product that much. These are the facts and they are supported. Now I will sit back and wait for your argument about how it is the fans fault for not showing blind loyalty to a franchise that for many years lost its way.

                            Since he pays to watch the games he has every right to make any kind of argument he wishes.

                            And as for the loss of hometown fans...well not every small market team is sandwiched between Chicago and the home of LeBron James during their first bad stretch of basketball in almost 20 years.
                            Time for a new sig.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              He was good for like a month( I even thought he was playing at a superstar level)but still he was not the Pacers best player last year not even close.
                              Sigh..

                              http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits.../danny-granger

                              He was good for the whole second part of the season. March, April and the playoffs.
                              Originally posted by IrishPacer
                              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                                Wait, wait, wait. I agree that Augustin's been a significant disappointment. And Green's not been as good as I'd hoped, but I expect him to develop into his role as the season goes on.

                                But Plumlee? What's the beef there? First off, I'd certainly hope you're not expecting a late-20s pick to immediately make the team better. I was just hoping that any player we got there would be able to play in the NBA. Mr. Plumlee is vastly exceeding my expectations so far. Don't throw him in there just because you're trying to make your list of "mistakes" bigger.
                                Just exactly what has he done to exceed your expectations. He has contributed absolutely nothing and does not look like he will. Most of the experts questioned the pick so why am I so far off base. He wasn't that good in college and that was not even playing with the big boys.

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