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Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

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  • #91
    Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

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    • #92
      Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

      Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
      I wonder if any of those teams would trade any of those players for Granger. Stop wining about our injuries. I know where the Bulls game was played you said it was at our place. The Bulls also played without another starter in that game. That being said, the Bulls without Rose shouldn't be a measuring stick.
      It's quite funny when people give excuses to other teams when they lose because they don't have their main guy while it's the reverse for the Pacers. Sure, Granger is nowhere near the level of Rose, Dirk, or whoever 1st-tier star you think of. But he's still the best player of the Pacers. He's the 1st option on offense. He's got the main role in their playbook. What's the difference with the situation of Dallas, Philly or Chicago? The team obviously misses his contribution the sasme as how the other teams miss their main guys due to injuries. Stop giving excuses for the other teams' losses over the Pacers as much as you don't give a pass for every Pacers loss.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

        Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
        I wonder if any of those teams would trade any of those players for Granger. Stop wining about our injuries.
        I don't whine about our injuries. I'm taking into consideration all possible parameters that affect a game. That's all.

        And unlike you, I do this for every team in the league. Because I want to be fair to every team. The Lakers would be better without injuries. The Mavs would be better without injuries. The Bulls would be better without injuries. The Sixers would be better without injuries. The Knicks would be even better without injuries. We would be better without injuries.

        That's pretty easy to understand, isn't it? But some people around here are just not willing to give the Pacers the credit they're due. I don't know why. It probably ruins their petty agenda. But I don't really care.

        And the fact that those teams wouldn't trade any of those players for Granger is irrelevant. He is our best player and the influence that he has on our team is as big as the one that those players have on their respective teams.
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        • #94
          Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

          Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
          It's quite funny when people give excuses to other teams when they lose because they don't have their main guy while it's the reverse for the Pacers. Sure, Granger is nowhere near the level of Rose, Dirk, or whoever 1st-tier star you think of. But he's still the best player of the Pacers. He's the 1st option on offense. He's got the main role in their playbook. What's the difference with the situation of Dallas, Philly or Chicago? The team obviously misses his contribution the sasme as how the other teams miss their main guys due to injuries. Stop giving excuses for the other teams' losses over the Pacers as much as you don't give a pass for every Pacers loss.
          You make my point for me Granger is nowhere close to the caliber of player you mentioned. Sure when he comes back he will help us. But IMO he will not instantly make us a serious contender. His play could also limit the contribution of PG by taking him out of the position he has started to flourish at.

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            Pacers were 2-9 against teams with winning records so they don't win anything of importance most of the time.
            So far this year that has been the case... But we are still on the upswing offensively since the start of the season... And we play the best defense in the NBA... We will be a different team by April...

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            The Colts have substance the Pacers just talk. If I waited to post only on a winning post in a game against a quality team I wouldn't hardly ever get to post.
            You had plenty of chances last season and yet you only seemed to chime in on a conversation after a tough loss... In a year that saw us finish with the 5th best record in the L and also a year where we beat every contender in the L at least once sans San An... So don't try to feed us this garbage...

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            They are in 3rd place in the weakest division in the NBA.
            I don't quite get this "weakest division" talk... We currently have 3 teams in the top 6 spots in our conference...

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            Nobody even likes to talk about them on local talk radio because people have got tired of that same old potential song they sing. The national media doesn't even know they exist.
            When have the pacers ever received adequate media coverage?

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            The arena is still half full and only a few on here even seriously consider them a contender.
            It's gonna take a long time to fill those seats consistently again... But it will happen when we finally re-establish the franchise... I'm still encouraged by what our seats looked like in last year's playoffs...
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            • #96
              Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

              Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
              You make my point for me Granger is nowhere close to the caliber of player you mentioned. Sure when he comes back he will help us. But IMO he will not instantly make us a serious contender. His play could also limit the contribution of PG by taking him out of the position he has started to flourish at.
              His playing could also help George by drawing attention... We won't know until we get there...
              Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                Danny WAS the Pacers best player for some years I don't think that is the case anymore, so the talk of the "Pacers best player coming back" is a bit of an exaggeration by some of his fans.
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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Danny WAS the Pacers best player for some years I don't think that is the case anymore, so the talk of the "Pacers best player coming back" is a bit of an exaggeration by some of his fans.
                  We won't know until he comes back. The description of best player is still relative up to last season.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Danny WAS the Pacers best player for some years I don't think that is the case anymore, so the talk of the "Pacers best player coming back" is a bit of an exaggeration by some of his fans.
                    I'd agree with this. Paul George is our best player right now. His all-around game is simply phenomenal. It's not a slight on Granger that I don't consider him the best player because not a lot of players are outplaying George in this stretch.

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                    • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      I don't whine about our injuries. I'm taking into consideration all possible parameters that affect a game. That's all.

                      And unlike you, I do this for every team in the league. Because I want to be fair to every team. The Lakers would be better without injuries. The Mavs would be better without injuries. The Bulls would be better without injuries. The Sixers would be better without injuries. The Knicks would be even better without injuries. We would be better without injuries.

                      That's pretty easy to understand, isn't it? But some people around here are just not willing to give the Pacers the credit they're due. I don't know why. It probably ruins their petty agenda. But I don't really care.

                      And the fact that those teams wouldn't trade any of those players for Granger is irrelevant. He is our best player and the influence that he has on our team is as big as the one that those players have on their respective teams.
                      Do not put words in my mouth or talk about hidden agendas. Just what would that agenda be. I don't like the direction the team took in the offseason and it has been proven out so far. Augustin, Plumlee, Green so far have done nothing to make this team better than it was. In fact it is worse. Young plays hard and has had his moments but is inconsistent as is Mahimi. I said they overpaid Roy and it is obvious they did. I don't get all hyped up over a victory over another average team. I don't think we have a coach that can take us to that next level either. I do think Danny is a good player and a good person but I in no way think he is the star that some on here do. I don't think he is the difference maker we need. I think Roy is mentally weak. The best way to judge what he will do in the future in that regard is by what he has done in the past. When he loses confidence he is a very bad player. I don't think that will ever change. You have the right to get all fired up after a win like last night just as I have the right to complain about the debacle in Milwaukee. They play 2 this weekend, lets see if they continue the upswing or take some steps backward. I think it will be the latter because I have seen it over and over.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                        Let's not forget last year was Granger's first year in a while that he did not average 20 ppg and he was at 18.7 ppg, so lets not forget, he may not be an elite player, but he is up there with some of the top scorers, not LeBron or KD or Kobe or Melo types, but maybe in that next category scoring wise, if he didn't get off to such a poor start last year he would have been a 20 ppg guy

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                        • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                          Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                          We won't know until he comes back. The description of best player is still relative up to last season.
                          I think we know, Paul George is doing more and playing better than Danny in the past two years, even before this run I thought Paul George was playing well, he is rebounding, scoring and passing better than Danny, I know somebody is going to come up with stats and cinergy to prove otherwise but to me Paul George is doing more and doing things that stats don't show.

                          Hell even as a "West hater" I take West over Danny at this point.
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                          • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                            Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                            I'd agree with this. Paul George is our best player right now. His all-around game is simply phenomenal. It's not a slight on Granger that I don't consider him the best player because not a lot of players are outplaying George in this stretch.
                            but PG has to keep it up. We know what we got in Danny. I'd still call him our best player for that reason. I think PG will keep it up and will end up being that guy for us, but he still has to keep doing it. And not to mention he just started playing this well. so we really were playing without our best player.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              I think we know, Paul George is doing more and playing better than Danny in the past two years, even before this run I thought Paul George was playing well, he is rebounding, scoring and passing better than Danny, I know somebody is going to come up with stats and cinergy to prove otherwise but to me Paul George is doing more and doing things that stats don't show.

                              Hell even as a "West hater" I take West over Danny at this point.
                              well you are a Danny hater too...

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                              • Re: Pacers/Jazz Postgame Thread 12/19/12

                                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                                but PG has to keep it up. We know what we got in Danny. I'd still call him our best player for that reason. I think PG will keep it up and will end up being that guy for us, but he still has to keep doing it. And not to mention he just started playing this well. so we really were playing without our best player.
                                No we don't.
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