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    Oh man you guys need to follow this link. Hollinger's analysis of Augustin, Rose, and Westbrook.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...over-Westbrook

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    You don't pay someone to take an expiring contract. We can just let him expire if nobody wants him.
    I think you guys are missing a very important point. The trade deadline approaches day-by-day. We may want to be a player in a trade this season, but we also have to consider that the Pacers are near the tax threshold, but never appear to be willing to go over it. We may want to pick up a player that would be a little more expensive than we are trading back. If so, that may be enough to put us into tax territory and Herb might be unwilling to go there. The only way that type of trade could get done would be if we cut loose a low-end salary like Ben or find a sucker that can be enticed to take Augustin.

    Sure, we can just let him expire at the end of the season. But, we may have to sacrifice a possible trade at the trade deadline as a result. Which is better? To get a player we want or perhaps the player on a short rental and the rights to him after the season if he becomes RFA, or to just wait until the end of the year because we didn't want to give up a pick or whatever to dump Augustin?

    P.S.... But I have always been of the opinion that DJ is a much better player than he shows here in Indy. He just doesn't fit with our team within our offense.

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    He doesn't work as an expiring contract because the Pacers don't want to take back contracts with multiple years left on them. The team has to think that he will help their team this year, or they won't give up anything we would be interested in.
    Good point. Still, I think that there are teams that will give minimum value for DJ.

    Fans tend to think a lot that certain players have minimal or even negative value when that's not the case most of the time. It's quite natural because said fans watch these players night in and night out and know their weaknesses (although, often times they blow them way out of proportions).

    But anyone else around the league does not watch them as often. So, they'll often try to rationalize why a player struggles. "He doesn't fit the system", they'll say. "He's having a bad stretch of games", they'll say. "The talent around him does not complement him", they'll say. That's also natural as there are several reasons why a player could struggle. Sucking is not the only answer.

    Back to the point now. DJ Augustin is a proven NBA player. His years in Charlotte proved that he belongs in this league. He has the talent. For whatever reason, he is sucking here. But don't be fooled. There are still teams that are willing to give him a shot as a back-up PG.

    Here are some teams that would be willing to give DJ a shot as their back-up PG:

    76ers: Their back-up PG is Maalik Wayns. He is averaging 2.5 PPG and 0.7 APG in 7.2 MPG. With Jrue Holiday out, Maalik only logged in 11 minutes as Evan Turner handled the PG duties for the majority of our game against them. Royal Ivey played more minutes earlier in the season but he went down with strep and has only played 2 minutes this month.

    Magic: Ish Smith is averaging 0.8 PPG in 16.7% shooting and 1.5 APG in 10.7 MPG. The Magic are currently using E'Twaun Moore as a back-up point but my guess is that they'd love a real point in order for Moore to slide back at his natural position.

    Blazers: Ronnie Price is averaging 2.8 PPG and 1.9 APG in 14.6 MPG. He is shooting 32.6% so he's not terrible. But an upgrade would be nice for them as Ronnie Price has never shown the talent that DJ did when he was in Charlotte.

    Personally, I believe that we can certainly deal DJ.

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    Oh man you guys need to follow this link. Hollinger's analysis of Augustin, Rose, and Westbrook.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...over-Westbrook

    Trade Augustin to Memphis!
    Man, reading that article and the subsequent thread was just amazing. Thanks

    Too bad that we cannot necro those threads

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    Yes it is 3.5 for this year, which is just nauseating considering his 400,000 3rd stringer has now surpassed him in the depth chart.
    I've never been an Augusitin fan, mainly because of his lack of size. But he has to be a better player than he's shown here. If not, then he must have picture of Michael Jordan with farm animals.

    There has to be a team with a combo-guard they want to trade for a PG.

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    How about sending him to Butler for Clark?

    There was a great and long article about Clark in the Star today.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if they are also shopping Green an his horrible contract, I expect to hear rumors of him in the next 3 years.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if they are also shopping Green an his horrible contract, I expect to hear rumors of him in the next 3 years.
    I wouldn't mind Green back to NJ (probably have to add a pick) for Marshon Brooks, I don't think the Nets use him to his potential while Green did really well for them last season.
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    Oh man you guys need to follow this link. Hollinger's analysis of Augustin, Rose, and Westbrook.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...over-Westbrook

    Trade Augustin to Memphis!
    Makes me wish Hollinger had landed a job with the Bulls, Lakers or Knicks instead.

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    I wouldn't mind Green back to NJ (probably have to add a pick) for Marshon Brooks, I don't think the Nets use him to his potential while Green did really well for them last season.
    We're not using Green to his potential either. So, essentially we're flipping up two bench players that we don't use right. I see no reason for a pick to be included there.

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    Oh man you guys need to follow this link. Hollinger's analysis of Augustin, Rose, and Westbrook.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...over-Westbrook

    Trade Augustin to Memphis!
    I'm usually a Hollinger defender, but man that draft analysis was full of fail. He missed on the stars, he missed on the guys he didn't think would be stars, and he missed on the sleepers too! George Hill was mentioned in the "better update that passport" section together with a bunch of no-names...

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    As for Augustin being shopped, I'm sue we'll find a taker if we're willing to take back a longer contract. Say one of Minny's extra PGs (Barea or Ridnour).

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    I wouldn't mind Green back to NJ (probably have to add a pick) for Marshon Brooks, I don't think the Nets use him to his potential while Green did really well for them last season.

    I'd love to have Marshon Brooks, but that trade scenario won't work due to salaries not working. Nets would have to add 2 mil in matching salary in another player. The Pacers taking back 2 players would be over the 15 limit roster. They'd either have to cut Ben or cut the salary filler player.

    I looked at trying to create a trade scenario last week where the Pacers could end up with Brooks, but had no luck.

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    What is Barea paid? Could be a good fit. Haven't followed him much, but it seemed like despite Hus size. He plays pretty decent defense. Wrong?
    If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

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    As for Augustin being shopped, I'm sue we'll find a taker if we're willing to take back a longer contract. Say one of Minny's extra PGs (Barea or Ridnour).
    Alexie shved has really impressed me from minny. Hes more of a combo guard, but does have good vision. Wonder if we can pull off a trade for him since Rubio is now back.

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    As for Augustin being shopped, I'm sue we'll find a taker if we're willing to take back a longer contract. Say one of Minny's extra PGs (Barea or Ridnour).
    I like both of these possibilities. It'll cost us something in addition to DJ: cash, a pick, Pendy, that new scoreboard but I feel like either one of those guys would fit in great with our second unit. Especially Ridnour.

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    I did a check last night and I think there are 3 teams with trade exceptions big enough to take DJ without sending back a player. Denver, Chicago and Orlando. Maybe one of them has draft picks they'd want to send our way.

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    Andre milker sounds nice
    If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

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    Haha miller
    If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

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    As for Augustin being shopped, I'm sue we'll find a taker if we're willing to take back a longer contract. Say one of Minny's extra PGs (Barea or Ridnour).
    I asked this earlier.....it's been often said that PGs come to Indy to kill their careers. Both Ridnour and Barea seem to be pretty solid in Adelman's offense and one that is more "up tempo"....but how would they do under our "slow it down" offense?

    Despite DJ's ineptitude on the offensive end running the point.....you have to wonder if he'd do much better if we were running a much quicker tempo offense.

    GH seems to be doing well enough running our half-court offense.....but what PGs that are available are well suited to run a half-court offense?
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    I did a check last night and I think there are 3 teams with trade exceptions big enough to take DJ without sending back a player. Denver, Chicago and Orlando. Maybe one of them has draft picks they'd want to send our way.
    It's cute that you think that DJ has enough value to send us a draft pick ...maybe some 3024 2nd round draft pick if we are lucky.
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    Found a trade where we get MarShon Brooks, Nets get D.J. Augustin, and Sam Young plus first round pick Pacers get Brooks, Jerry Stackhouse, and Keith Bogans

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    You don't pay someone to take an expiring contract. We can just let him expire if nobody wants him.
    Exactly. Why are people focused on the output when that's not what the Pacers would be dealing. The reason the Miller deal was discussed here, for example, was because they badly need to cut salary and will just about have to move one of their contracted players before next season. Denver doesn't really have the option of letting an expiring player expire, so to them there is value in moving some contract money out for some expiring deals.

    Now they might be able to get more elsewhere, but DJ/Tyler gives them players that they can still use a little and then a healthy cap reduction next year. They might want a pick too, but I wouldn't do that because the Pacers can afford to not deal and just let contracts expire too.

    But Ben playing was part of the DJ shopping IMO. Certainly Vogel wanted to shake things up but I also think there was exploration of life without DJ OR an attempt to prevent DJ from getting hurt while shopping him.

    One thing with a Denver deal, plenty of teams can look at DJ and think he's having trouble because of the situation. This makes them see DJ as a potential steal when his play improves after leaving Indy, and they might not be wrong about that. If he doesn't work out he's still an expiring and if he does then Indy gets robbed (except they don't because he's clearly not working out here).

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    I would think the Spurs would want a more experienced backup and trade Cory Joseph or Nando de Colo.

    Then give them Hans for Splitter.

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    Found a trade where we get MarShon Brooks, Nets get D.J. Augustin, and Sam Young plus first round pick Pacers get Brooks, Jerry Stackhouse, and Keith Bogans
    They aren't throwing Stackhouse in any trade he is there leader. (and no im not kidding)

    and he actually isnt playing bad at all a lot better than a lot he would be at this stage of his career. But it's clear that Stackhouse is vital to that team in watching the yes network and the show on NBA tv.

    Spurs have much better options in house IMO Patty Mills is much better than DJ. But in the Spurs system I could see DJ playing good but money wise I dont see the fit in terms of trade assets.

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