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  • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
    I don't understand that, can anybody show me a power forward in the East better than David West?
    I don't think Garnet is listed as a center but with the new method it doesn't matter. There are six or seven forwards who will be taken ahead of him and PG. The best hope is for a late injury and getting named to the squad.... Bosh and Lopez are ahead of him for certain...... ...

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    • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
      I don't think Garnet is listed as a center but with the new method it doesn't matter. There are six or seven forwards who will be taken ahead of him and PG. The best hope is for a late injury and getting named to the squad.... Bosh and Lopez are ahead of him for certain...... ...
      Carmelo, Chandler, James also. There are six, there are more.... ...

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      • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

        If the Pacers continue their solid play and are in the top 5 seeds in the East then either David West or Paul George better get invited to the all-star game

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        • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          I don't think Garnet is listed as a center but with the new method it doesn't matter. There are six or seven forwards who will be taken ahead of him and PG. The best hope is for a late injury and getting named to the squad.... Bosh and Lopez are ahead of him for certain...... ...
          Yeah I forgot about that, Bosh, Lopez, Lebron, Melo, Noah, KG, Pierce, Deng, Chandler, Varejao, etc.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
            Carmelo, Chandler, James also. There are six, there are more.... ...
            Varejao, Deng and Al Horford too. This is why West won't be in and it will be tough for PG too..... ...

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            • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

              There will definitely be some players getting snubbed. I think Paul's been the 5th best wing (SG/SF) this year, but with the change in the ballot I'm not sure how that affects him. Here's a list of guys I think deserve to make it. They can't all make it though...

              Rondo
              Irving
              Williams... don't think he deserves it, but will probably make it anyway
              Holiday
              Wade
              George
              LeBron
              Pierce
              Anthony
              Smith
              Horford
              Lopez
              Verajao
              Noah
              Chandler
              Garnett
              West
              Bosh

              After looking at that, I think Paul has a better chance to make it than West. They'll have to take at least 1 from the Pacers if we're top 5-6, and there's more bigs that deserve to make the team than wings. Both probably deserve it, but I don't see anyway we send 2.

              Who would you guys send at PG? They usually send 3, although last year they sent 4 after Rondo took Joe Johnson's spot due to injury. IMO, as of now D. Williams should be the one left out.
              Last edited by CJ Jones; 12-26-2012, 11:23 PM.

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              • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                I don't understand that, can anybody show me a power forward in the East better than David West?
                Technically Melo has been playing at the PF position all yr. plus they don't do it by position, it's just wings and bigs this year I do believe. Between Noah, Verajao, Lopez, Josh Smith, Chandler, Bosh..it'll be hard for West to make it.

                Then with Bron, Melo, Rondo, Irving, Wade, Williams (non deserving), Deng, Holiday, and even Evam Turner (putting up very similar numbers to PG) it'll be difficult for PG to make it. I don't think every team within the top 5 HAS to have a rep. It'd be nice to be in the top 5 lol and it'd be nicer to have an AS rep

                Edit: didnt mention the usual suspects of KG, Pierce, Joe Johnson of players who get In bc of their names recognition.
                Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 12-27-2012, 12:42 AM.

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                • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                  Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                  Technically Melo has been playing at the PF position all yr. plus they don't do it by position, it's just wings and bigs this year I do believe. Between Noah, Verajao, Lopez, Josh Smith, Chandler, Bosh..it'll be hard for West to make it.

                  Then with Bron, Melo, Rondo, Irving, Wade, Williams (non deserving), Deng, Holiday, and even Evam Turner (putting up very similar numbers to PG) it'll be difficult for PG to make it. I don't think every team within the top 5 HAS to have a rep. It'd be nice to be in the top 5 lol and it'd be nicer to have an AS rep

                  Edit: didnt mention the usual suspects of KG, Pierce, Joe Johnson of players who get In bc of their names recognition.
                  You're mostly right, but the grouping is split up into guards and frontcourt. So for voting purposes Paul George is a SG and grouped in with the other SGs and PGs.

                  But with the Pacers we're never gonna get one voted in. I don't know how many votes our most-voted for Pacer is, but at the returns of the first ballots Andrew Bynum has at least twice as many as any Pacer without playing a single minute.

                  I have a feeling that with voting now the coachs are just gonna go best player unless there's an obvious lack one 1 position. So you assume our starting unit will be LeBron, Melo, Garnett/Bosh, Wade, and Rondo. After them, there's still a lot of competition. If we have a top 3 east record, I think they'll be obligated to give us a spot. Otherwise, I doubt we get an allstar in.
                  Last edited by aamcguy; 12-27-2012, 10:30 AM.
                  Time for a new sig.

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                  • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                    I have a feeling that the coaches will be a little more traditional, than just a backcourt/frontcourt split. Which I think bodes well for multiple Pacers especially if Hibbert continues to improve on the offensive end. Yes, I still think Hibbert has a chance with the coaches if he is able to play well offensively in January, that is just how good Hibbert has been on defense, although he is obviously on the outside looking in at the moment. At this point I think the back-up SG spot is Paul's to lose. If he keeps up his current level of play he is a lock. I would say West probably has the toughest road of all three of them, but so far has lived up to the challenge. Although with Paul's emergence it is going to make it difficult for West to really stand out as he has to this point.

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                    • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                      Obviously no Pacer is getting voted in this year and that was never on the table for discussion.

                      But coaches will put a guy on the team if he's been a big pain in their a**. These guys know who they hate to deal with and who is doing special things. Up till now it's been West, and after a mini-slump he put together another great half of shooting to get back on track (I hope). But over the last few weeks Paul has been outplaying West's best games this year.

                      If these 2 both keep it up then that probably means the Pacers will be winning games, and that in turn will mean recognition. The question is going to be how good do they each have to be for the next few weeks and just how many games do the Pacers need to be above 500 to get 1 or 2 guys in.



                      I think this could be the end of KG's run. There's always a year where a guy doesn't make the AS team anymore.


                      Looking at the top PPG guys in the East:
                      Melo
                      James
                      Pierce
                      Wade
                      Bosh

                      That's the starting 5. The other guys ahead of Paul (and West for most) that to me are getting into less certain territory:

                      More likely
                      Josh Smith (should make it easily)
                      Jrue (team W-L hurts a lot but not enough)

                      Less likely
                      Ellis (if MIL stays above 500 he has a shot, but FG% hurts a lot)
                      Deng (comparison to Paul hurts a ton, Noah seems a more likely rep)
                      Joe Johnson (team not good enough, could be lone rep though)
                      Deron (rep helps a ton, but W-L hurts chances for multi-reps, and his FG% is puke)

                      Very unlikely
                      B Lopez (size helps, but team isn't good enough for multi-reps, Joe and DWill have rep)
                      Afflalo (gaining a rep but ORL is bad and he's not good enough to overcome that)
                      Kemba (team is awful)
                      DeRozen (team is awful)
                      Jennings (Ellis goes before him if MIL gets 1 due to rep, though Ellis shooting is bad)

                      So of the top 18 scorers (which ends at Paul's rank, currently) there could be a good case for both West and Paul.

                      From rebounders Paul ends the top 20, West is at 13. You can bring in Varejao, Noah, Chandler and Horford into the discussion.
                      Varejao has a bad team, but he's been so good and is at a thin spot (technically since there is no "C" this year) that he has a decent shot.
                      Noah goes instead of Deng.
                      Chandler and Horford are only hurt by having other reps and whether the team deserves more. Horford has a better shot to me.

                      Since Paul and West are both in this list also, along with Lebron, Josh Smith and Bosh, I think it helps them quite a bit.

                      Obviously assists will hurt them but to me the only new guy it brings into the mix is Rondo. This is what puts Jrue on the team for sure, but Rondo might be on a team at or below 500 by that point and will clearly already have Pierce on the roster.


                      In fact, let's just think of it in terms of getting reps based on standings.
                      MIA
                      Lebron, Wade, Bosh
                      NYK
                      Melo, Chandler
                      ATL
                      Josh Smith, Horford
                      INDY
                      Paul, West
                      MIL
                      Ellis, Jennings
                      CHI
                      Noah, Deng
                      BOS
                      Pierce, Rondo
                      BRK
                      Joe Johnson, DWill
                      PHI
                      Jrue

                      And from teams really out of the playoffs - Afflalo, Varejao

                      That's 20. Indy is a borderline 2 player team. MIL, CHI, BRK and BOS are worse than Indy, so more than 1 there is also questionable. If you cut them all back to 1 and drop Afflalo and Varejao then you are at 13. I think MIL is at risk of having no reps with Rondo going on instead. Then you have Horford and Chandler as "at risk" players to me. I don't think a 3rd or 4th seed Pacers would go without a rep at all and I think West would go over Horford at this point if that's where the decision ends up.



                      After all that scattered (sorry) brainstorming it's still really close. Looking at it even more only solidifies to me how it can range from none to both based on how things play out the next few weeks. I could honestly see West and Paul playing their way onto the team. If they have numbers and have been key in a series of wins that has the Pacers pushing past Atlanta, then I think they will get 2 reps.

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                      • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                        As a follow up to this: Since PG laid the goose egg in GSW, we have played 15 games. Paul's numbers:
                        20.7 ppg
                        8.2 rpg
                        4.1 apg
                        1.0 bpg
                        1.8 spg
                        47% shooting
                        41% from 3
                        85% from the line
                        4 fta's a game

                        PG is playing at a pretty incredible level. Love watching this guy play. Its clicked for him and the Pacers are so much better because of it. We are 11-4 in that stretch.

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                        • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                          I'm telling you, if there was ever a "blessing in disguise" injury, it was Granger's this year. PG has been forced to be the man on the wing and get out of his comfort zone of deferring to Granger. I said it in another thread, and I'll say it again: When Granger comes back, this team is going to be a very tough out in the playoffs.

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                          • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                            Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                            As a follow up to this: Since PG laid the goose egg in GSW, we have played 15 games. Paul's numbers:
                            20.7 ppg
                            8.2 rpg
                            4.1 apg
                            1.0 bpg
                            1.8 spg
                            47% shooting
                            41% from 3
                            85% from the line
                            4 fta's a game

                            PG is playing at a pretty incredible level. Love watching this guy play. Its clicked for him and the Pacers are so much better because of it. We are 11-4 in that stretch.
                            My god.

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                            • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                              Paul George is going to get offered a max contract if we let him hit restricted free agency.

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                              • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                                Paul George is going to get offered a max contract if we let him hit restricted free agency.
                                He's getting it regardless.

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