Please, my fellow posters, it was bad enough on the other board, but can you all try not to engage with this guy baiting some of you into conversation? He's established himself as a troll, meaning this contrarian act is insincere, so whenever you honor him by responding you're letting him win and encouraging him to continue. Please don't take that as me telling anyone what to do because it is not. But what I am doing is making a sincere plea. I'm 100% sure I'm right about this, but take it or leave it, I'll just hope for the best, and now I'll shut up about it.
As for Paul George, is he becoming a star? I don't know. He's certainly looked like one lately, but it's not been long enough yet to where I'm convinced this is the new normal. When will it be long enough to change my mind? I'm not sure. I suspect if this is what we get, say, 67% of the time between now and whenever we're done for the year, then I might be a believer then. Probably.
Hear hear! Listen to the man who speaks wisdom.
I'll go one step further: I encourage everyone to use the "Ignore" feature. Click on a name in the top left, view their profile, and select "Add to Ignore List."
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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."
I voted maybe but he's going to have to show a lot more for the remainder of the season. He doesn't stand a chance of getting in this season.
If he becomes a fringe all star player I hope he doesn't make the team until after he signs his next contract. It would have been better for the team if Hibbert didn't make it last year, the team might have saved money and he'd have that snub to motivate him this year.
Stat-wise I think he's a fringe all-star already. Just look at those averages. Those already include the games where he's on a major slump. You can say he's already like Andre Iguodala that can do it all. His scoring has been better after struggling for so long but you have to notice how good he rebounds the ball, how great he is playing the passing lanes and disrupts plays through deflections, and how he fills up the assists column like he's a point guard. In a way if he continues to do well and if the team returns to contention, we may see his name on the all-star lineup.
Now it's still too early to say he's a star. He's just starting to bloom as a legitimate go-to guy in a starter role. He's on his way, and he'll get there if he continues to improve. He's still young and struggles will come. I really hope the bold prediction long ago that he'll be the best player in his draft class after 5 years comes true.
Draft class thing is looking plausable
If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?
Nothing in life worth having comes easy.
Even with his slow start he has better stats than Andre Iguodala, Joe Johnson, Manu Ginobli, basically all of the usual suspects for all-star slots at SG other than Kobeand Wade.
He's not playing much SG, though. If it comes down to him and Joe for the last spot, will what position they play make a difference (Blu seems to think so)? It seems like last year there were a bunch of SFs on the team.
Last edited by CJ Jones; 12-16-2012 at 07:18 PM.
when defenses start to key in on him, he will find the open man. he can create for others pretty damn well. thats why we see him with gamed where he has 5+ assists.
If the Pacers are a 6-8 team when the reserves are picked then they will get in one of two guys - West or Paul. Paul is pressing West hard the last 7 games but in that 7th game we saw West restate his own case pretty strongly.
Now if the Pacers were a top 3-4 team in the East they could make a good case for 2 guys.
Regardless Paul is headed to AS caliber status by the end of this season which means he should definitely make the team next season. For me when I see a player have that moment, a game or two or even just a few minutes in one game, where he starts making plays that work and starts to make that connection between the idea and how it physical feels to execute it correctly, then I know he's on his way to the next level. This isn't just hitting a bunch of 3s, Paul has the game "slowing down" for him because he's had that learning moment where it suddenly makes sense to him, like a player that gets a couple of good, clean solid wood hits and can then visualize and repeat that physical process going forward. What that means is that you can't just want to do it, you have to have it happen for the first time ever and feel it, like an X Games skater hitting a new trick for the first time. Once he feels it and starts to lock it in, then it becomes natural and easy.
That's Paul's game lately. That's his cross step drive to the rim with contact, his defensive plays, his switches on defense, his touch for the 3, the whole works. I disagreed with Austin about Paul's attempted steal right before the half the other night because while you couldn't see it on TV, at the game live you could see him reading that moment way before the pass went and he almost/did make that play. I think he got fouled because he'd already tipped the pass away. Regardless it was darn close and representative of a star player who just sees plays unfolding quicker than the guys around him.
Paul is going to be slightly better than Danny, or might already be at the level given his awesome rebounding and defense. Neither he nor Danny are Kobe/Lebron type of players, but they should make a great 1B tandem.
As a sidenote it's also clear that Hill, West and Paul have recognized their new no-Danny, Roy terrible on offense, roles together and taken over the primary offensive action with confidence, and Vogel's adjusted to that as well.
BTW, for a reality check on this situation, I pulled up a comparison on Pierce, Joe Johnson, Deng, Josh Smith, DeRozen and Paul George.
Paul leads the group in eFG%, 2nd to Pierce in True Shooting, leads in AST%, 2nd to Josh in blocks p36, 3rd in steals p36 to Smith and Pierce, tied for 1st in DEF Rating, tied for 2nd in Offensive rating, leads the group in Win Shares (and WS/48min), 2nd in rebounds p36...and while Smith is better than him in those defensive areas Josh is the worst of the group by far in offensive rating (94 to Paul's 104).
In fact Paul leads by far in Off Rtg vs Def Rtg, where his 104/98 is a +6, Deng is at +2, and the other 4 guys are at 0 or negative (Paul 0, Joe -3, Josh -4, DeRozen -8).
And if he continues something in the range of his recent pace he's going to pull farther ahead than them statistically. He's definitely going to be in the conversation.
Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 12-16-2012 at 11:45 PM.
From my eyes, the only thing that held this kid back was confidence and killer instinct.
I think he's gotten in touch with these, and is becoming good friends with the both of them.
IMO, he's not going to ever be a "get out of my way team, because I'm going to take over" kind of player. But I'm convinced that he will be a star in a team concept.
There are too many positive signs, between his stroke, his ability to rebound, and his more recent ability to facilitate offense and find the open man?
Imagine what'll happen once he puts 15 more pounds of muscle on his frame, in particular his upper body?
Are you kidding me? This guy is legit, and it's about damn time that he realized it.
Paul George in the month of December so far (yes, even including the 0 point game) are 20.6 points, 7.1 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 2.6 3 pters, 1.5 stls, 1.0 blocks on only 1.9 TOs. Shooting 46.9% from the field, 44.7% from 3, and 82.6% from the line.
I'm not saying he's gonna keep that up for the entire season, but hypothetically if he did, those numbers on a winning team warrant All-NBA 2nd or 3rd team consideration. Just something to think about.
In fact, in my (biased) opinion if there were an All-NBA of December award, PG would be on the 3rd team whether he was considered a guard or a forward. (Kobe, CP3, Tony Parker, Westbook and Steph Curry being the only better guards, tied with James Harden but getting the edge because Indianas record in December is better, and Melo, Durant, Duncan, ZBo and Lebron being the only forwards, though I suppose David Lee and/or Blake Griffin might belong there too)
For the Pacers sake I hope he is not an all star this year, Hibbert's all star status is the main reason why the Pacers overpaid I hope it doesn't happen again.