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    Just interested in people's take on the Pacers without Lance in the line up. Better? Worse? No real difference? Not enough data?

    Personally, it confirms my desire to put Young in the starting line up (if he could discipline his Kobe gene) and let Lance create more with the second unit, as that is where Lance will be when Granger returns.

    But I am interested in other's thoughts, especially those not as high on Lance as I am.
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    Not enough data.

    We've managed, but I'd strongly prefer to have the healthy bodies available.

    I didn't hear anything last night about a return date, did anybody else?
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    I didn't hear anything last night about a return date, did anybody else?
    According to NBA.Com 's summary of last night's game Vogel says Lance could be back tonight.
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    His cousin talked to me last night and said he will return next game.

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    Pacers missed Lance. Right now Pacers have 6 guys that can really play. Lance is one of those guys. The rest of the team are still maybes night in and night out. Until Danny gets back, Lance needs to stay at the 2. He will get plenty of minutes with the bench during the course of the game.

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    I've never been a Lance fan, nor a non-fan really. I frankly didn't understand Bird's infatuation. But, especially after seeing Lance this season, I would want him as a member of our second unit for the next couple of years to see how much more he can learn and develop. And, that should be fairly easy to do. It's not like their is a long line of suitors set to take him off our hands.

    I do think that he could help facilitate the offense and scoring for the second unit. As for his interim starting role, he has been steady. He hasn't helped a whole lot, neither has he hurt us. His best trait is that he has played defense (at least man-on-man anyway) while not making too many mistakes and not requiring the ball.

    Green and Young cannot make these claims and usually, have hurt the performance of the starting unit more than helped. I frankly don't see Green as a starter at all. Young could fill in nicely, if he is willing to realize that his role is primarily defense and that he must learn to somewhat "tone down" his offensive activities. In other words, learn to help without doing harm.

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    not much!
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    Just interested in people's take on the Pacers without Lance in the line up. Better? Worse? No real difference? Not enough data?

    Personally, it confirms my desire to put Young in the starting line up (if he could discipline his Kobe gene) and let Lance create more with the second unit, as that is where Lance will be when Granger returns.

    But I am interested in other's thoughts, especially those not as high on Lance as I am.
    I think I have been clear. Play Lance with the starters and give him starters minutes. I would even have Granger on the second unit if and when he returns to keep Lance getting playing time. He is the only potential star on this team. Giving him the chance to develop into one....... ...

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    I think I have been clear. Play Lance with the starters and give him starters minutes. I would even have Granger on the second unit if and when he returns to keep Lance getting playing time. He is the only potential star on this team. Giving him the chance to develop into one....... ...
    This doesn't make sense.

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    This doesn't make sense.
    Why? Just because you say so? We know that Granger won't get any better. It is unlikely that PG gets much better but Lance is nearly unlimited. If you don't like the idea of sitting down Granger then sit down PG but keep Lance in the starting lineup. I think the first unit is much better defensively with PG and Lance starting. Perhaps Granger won't be back at all and this won't be a problem. ...

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    It is unlikely that PG gets much better but Lance is nearly unlimited.
    How so? They are both the same age and in their third year. Granted, Paul had a helluva lot more minutes than Lance in the first two, but he is still just a young buck too. He is getting better before our eyes right now. Paul averaged 7.8 PPG his rookie year, 12.1 last year, and is at 16.5 this year (which is going up as we speak). All of the evidence points to it being likely that Paul George continues his upward progression in production for at least a couple of more seasons. Talented 22 year old players usually don't reach their peak in year three. Paul should continue to improve for a few more years.

    I'm a big believer in Lance, BTW. I'm excited about his potential. But Paul is also getting better before our eyes and who knows what his limit is? I agree with you that Granger likely won't get any better though.

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    To the OPs topic... I miss Lance.

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    Why? Just because you say so? ...
    No because common sense says it. Lance has had a good run and is improved. Let us keep in mind that he is not playing at an All-Star level. George and Granger have or are currently playing at this level. From where Lance has come, it is great that he is our third best wing on this team.

    But unless Danny comes back like Dunleavy did after his knee problems (which is not out of the question this year and beyond), Lance needs to come off the bench and get 25 mpg. Which is the same as he is getting now. Which needs to be more if Gerald plays like a school girl.

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    No because common sense says it. Lance has had a good run and is improved. Let us keep in mind that he is not playing at an All-Star level. George and Granger have or are currently playing at this level. From where Lance has come, it is great that he is our third best wing on this team.

    But unless Danny comes back like Dunleavy did after his knee problems (which is not out of the question this year and beyond), Lance needs to come off the bench and get 25 mpg. Which is the same as he is getting now. Which needs to be more if Gerald plays like a school girl.
    Granger has not play at an all star level for years and PG has not played at an all star level yet. When Granger comes back the defense instantly gets worse. Granger is on the decline and he has injury issues. Play him 20 minutes per game off the bench and you MIGHT get some value at him. I think Lance has the ability to be the best wing on this team and he is the only one with enough upside to become a super star. Lance is easily the Pacers most improved player and perhaps the most improved player in the entire NBA ...

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    From what I've seen so far, I would MUCH rather see Lance playing than Gerald Green. Back when we signed Green, I didn't think it was a good idea but I was hoping that he'd prove me wrong. Preseason went alright for him, but he's been a disappointment so far this season. Lance has been great for us out on the court in many ways in this 2012-13 season, and I think it will only continue. I believe we're a better team with Lance, at least from a scoring standpoint.

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    Paul's borderline all star right now Blu, and he's nowhere near his prime. I'm a big Lance fan, and I'm glad to hear you are too, but let's not short change Paul. If he can just average close to 20 a game with his defense he's gonna be a star and be recognized so at a lot of all star games.

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    Paul's borderline all star right now Blu, and he's nowhere near his prime. I'm a big Lance fan, and I'm glad to hear you are too, but let's not short change Paul. If he can just average close to 20 a game with his defense he's gonna be a star and be recognized so at a lot of all star games.
    At what position? He isn't going to be an all star as a small forward, there are just to many players way ahead of him. At SG, he is behind Wade and several others. I don't see him making any all star team in the near future..... ...

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    At what position? He isn't going to be an all star as a small forward, there are just to many players way ahead of him. At SG, he is behind Wade and several others. I don't see him making any all star team in the near future..... ...
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    Worst wing rotation in the league? Between PG, Lance, George Hill, Granger, and OJ, the future is very bright. I would argue we have the deepest wing rotation in the league. Hence why our former best player get hurts and we don't miss a beat.

    Granger is only under contract for one more year and I seriously believe Lance and OJ make him expendable.

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    His numbers aren't great, but the real value is having a 2nd ball handler on the floor. He has the teams 3rd best plus-minus despite being 5th in minutes played.

    IMHO he could shoot a bit more and needs to start getting to the line. I'd like to see his scoring in the low teens.

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    I don't thick Lance will ever be a star. And I don't believe that it will be skills that prevents that nearly as much as "opportunity". I think that he will prove himself to be a valuable player off the bench. I just don't see much more than that because, other than his interim starting role for the Pacers, I don't see him performing at such a high level to enable other teams, nor the Pacers, from viewing him as anything more than that.

    To be viewed differently, he would have to do something that draws draws attention, including playing at a consistently decent level over time.

    But what do I know? Two years ago, I never would have guessed that the Pacers would still be picking up Lance's options. I thought he would be in street clothes by now. He has come a long way, both on and apparently off the court as well.

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    Lance looked fine last night. Even jumped off the bench (in suit) twice.
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    Lance is valuable cause he creates. He is also a one man fastbreak, if the other team misses and we got the rebound give it to Lance and he is gone! Thats why i really like Lance because he can create for himself and for others. Passing is also natural to him

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    Lance is valuable cause he creates. He is also a one mn fastbreak, if the other team misses and we got the rebound give it to Lance and he is gone! Thats why i really like Lance because he can create for himself and for others. Passing is also natural to him
    I agree here....I totally think that Lance is very good at creating for himself or others....but I think that he ( through his own choice or being directed by Vogel himself ) passes the ball too much....especially when he drives to the hoop. I wish that he'd drive more to the hoop, draw the defense, create a shot for others or try to finish at the basket and drawing a foul. I really think that he does more of the former ( passing it out ) than the latter ( attacking the basket and trying to finish and/or draw a fould ). IMHO....I think that if he really tried to finish at the basket...he'd get to the FT line A LOT.

    To be clear....I'm not suggesting that he shouldn't pass the ball....I'm saying that if he learned when to kick it out and when to finish while balancing his "offensive attack'", he'd do much better.
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    My thought after two games without Lance is that what really matters is whether Hill, West, and Hibbert play well.

    We're getting a nice boost from Paul lately. But we've still got the 30th best wing combination in the league right now and will until Danny gets healthy.
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    My thought after two games without Lance is that what really matters is whether Hill, West, and Hibbert play well.

    We're getting a nice boost from Paul lately. But we've still got the 30th best wing combination in the league right now and will until Danny gets healthy.
    Dead last? I don't know about that. Not with the way Paul's playing.

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