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    Superstars carry their teams to the playoffs. Your definition is different than mine.
    Superstars also win championships about 95% of the time. Not that Love is at that level. IMO, he's a great player but not even top 10 in the league.

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    Really? No way. Pekovic is a good backup and Williams is a project. You would give up Hibbert, West, Granger, Hill, and/or 1st round picks for these two?
    By the way, I don't think it would take a whole lot to nab Williams since his value is at an all time low.
    Did I say I'd give up that kind of package for those 2? No. You took my post out of context. Saying everybody is on the table, doesn't mean I'd include our entire team in the deal... You're dead wrong about Pekovic. Pekovic is a legit starting 4 or 5, and has proven that over the last 2 years. To think otherwise is being ignorant.

    How exactly is Williams a project? I'd love a "project" who can come in right away and put up 9pts and 5rbs. He hasn't lived up to the hype nor his draft status to this point, but does that make him a project? I seem to recall people trashing Mayo 1-2 years ago as though he was a bust and not somebody who could come in and contribute. Shoot, same could be said for JO in Portland. Sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery and an opportunity for players to take off. Plus, Granger isn't getting any younger and who knows if he'll ever come back to be a productive player. Having a 22 year old drenched in talent to grow alongside George can only be beneficial to this team's long term outlook. But of course, our organization will stand pat and continue to mire in mediocrity.

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    Aah... Augustin's contract takes care of itself at the end of the season. Perhaps we can use Green instead?

    But you do realize this would be a very short-term rental? Thus we would lose Tyler without anything to show for it heading into next season.

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    I doubt they'd want Green's contract. DJ as an expiring contract is more valuable than Green as a player, I think.

    All we really have to offer are a few expiring contracts, I don't see us making any deals this year.

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    It is good that you want to keep the team you have because they would not take what you offer. Love is a superstar. It would take most of the Pacers starters to land him if then...... ...
    Kevin Love is NOT a superstar. He's very good, don't get me wrong. But there's only a handful of superstar players, and he is not one of them.

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    Kevin Love is NOT a superstar. He's very good, don't get me wrong. But there's only a handful of superstar players, and he is not one of them.
    Lol, good luck arguing with him about superstar players.
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    Let's take our bad bench players and trade them for someone else's bad bench players and hope the "change of scenery" thing works out for everyone.
    Tyler Hansbrough and DJ Augustin for Derrick Williams.

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    I just feel sorry for whatever teams GM thinks that we should be playing Tyler more...has he been watching the same games as we have? Any guesses on which GM said that? lol

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    I just feel sorry for whatever teams GM thinks that we should be playing Tyler more...has he been watching the same games as we have? Any guesses on which GM said that? lol
    I will bet there are more of those GMs than you think.... ...

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    Tyler Hansbrough and DJ Augustin for Derrick Williams.
    You don't think they will get a better offer than that for Williams? I do. ...

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    You guys are overvaluing our Players. The cost to get a prospect and/or Starter like Derrick Williams is well beyond what the Pacers would be willing to pay.

    Aim lower since the only real value that our tradable Players are that they are Expiring Contracts.

    I'm surprised that no one has brought it up yet....but a real easy trade that could make some sense for both Teams is Tyler Hansbrough for Gerald Henderson. Both are coming off of their Rookie Contracts...so making Salaries work isn't going to be hard.

    We need a more consistent Bench Wing Player that is smart and Hansbrough could offer something that the rest of the Frontcourt doesn't ( at a cheap price ) for the Bobcats...while adding in that whole North Carolina State following in Charlotte.
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    Tyler Hansbrough and DJ Augustin for Derrick Williams.
    That's a fantastic trade for us when looking at value. But positionally it makes even more problems.
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    The Hans for Henderson trade sounds good, but who backs up West? Do you think Miles or Pendy are ready to step up? I'm sure Ian could take some of those minutes, but he IS a foul magnet. We could go small and use Granger at 4 when/if he comes back healthy enough to play.

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    The Hans for Henderson trade sounds good, but who backs up West? Do you think Miles or Pendy are ready to step up? I'm sure Ian could take some of those minutes, but he IS a foul magnet. We could go small and use Granger at 4 when/if he comes back healthy enough to play.
    I'm inclined to think that Mahinmi can pick up any scoring slack that would be lost with Hansbrough and Plumlee would just move up one rung in the frontcourt ladder. Mahinmi can't be any slower defending athletic big men that Hansbrough is....so I don't think that Hansbrough is irreplaceable.

    If anything....I think that Mahinmi has a more consistent offensive game and mid range jumpshot than Hansbrough does. To me...although I think that Hansbrough has a decent knack for getting to the ft line....Mahinmi isn't that bad at doing the same.
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    Pekovic is a legit starting 4 or 5, and has proven that over the last 2 years.
    I absolutely agree with this. Pekovic is a proven starter. If you watched him in Europe, you always knew that he was going to be a legit starter in the NBA. And he proved himself. Just like Shved will. He was another case of an extremely safe pick-up that is guaranteed to yield good to great results.

    D-Will has not proved a lot yet, though. He may pan out but he may fall flat. I agree that a change of scenery would do him good. But he's still a risk. However, he could be worth it

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    I didn't realize just how lousy Derrick Williams has been during his short career. His numbers are cringe-worthy. Look beyond where he was drafted, and I don't see the Wolves getting much out of him at all.

    For comparison's sake, former #2 pick Hasheem Thabeet was traded midway through his second season. The deal? Thabeet, DeMarre Carrol, and a future 1st for a declining Shane Battier and Ishmael Smith.

    Yeah, the Wolves aren't getting much at all for Williams. I might give them Hansbrough, Augustine, and a lottery-protected 1st, but I'd be hesitant to move the pick.

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    Superstars carry their teams to the playoffs. Your definition is different than mine.
    Seriously, who is the best teammate Love has played with? Pekovic, who didn't come on until last year? Rubio, who has played fewer than 50 career games? He has had no help​ up until last year, and when that team was healthy they were competing for a playoff spot. Get a clue.

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    For comparison's sake, former #2 pick Hasheem Thabeet was traded midway through his second season. The deal? Thabeet, DeMarre Carrol, and a future 1st for a declining Shane Battier and Ishmael Smith.

    Yeah, the Wolves aren't getting much at all for Williams. I might give them Hansbrough, Augustine, and a lottery-protected 1st, but I'd be hesitant to move the pick.

    Why in the world would the Timberwolves trade one player who isn't getting minutes so they can add two worse players who also won't get minutes, especially if they're only going to get a crummy pick out of the deal? They have tons of PG depth with Rubio back on the floor and nothing about Hans screams "Adelman player" to me. I agree that they would trade Williams if it helped them add parts that got them into the playoffs this year, but DJ/Hans are not​ those parts.

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    Like Wes Johnson. lol Could probably get him for a 2nd round pick.
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    I'm in the same group of you guys that do not want Kevin Love on this team. Every since the game against us, and also that game against the rockets when he stomped Scola's face while he was on the ground, I've greatly disliked that guy and probably always will.

    I think Calderon would be an amazing pick up. That guy is just a great scorer/creator/passer, he's exactly what we need.
    My issue with Love is the fact he is constantly in the media *****ing about his team/contract.

    He's a stat-whore that rarely changes a game significantly. Look at their production with him out, then in the games he's played in.

    He's very good and produces numbers, but so does David Lee. Anyone calling him a superstar?

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    Hahaha, I was actually very interested in how this worked, until I saw we had to give up our 2nd and 3rd PF.

    Could you imagine the 2nd unit?

    Calderon/Lance/Green/Young/Ian OR Cal/Lance/Green/Miles/Ian OR Cal/Lance/Young/Miles/Ian

    Regardless, you'd be looking at significant minutes for Young or Miles at the 4. I will say, Calderon and Lance make for a very nice backcourt, and in theory would mesh well with Green at the 3. Of course, Green sucks...

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    Why in the world would the Timberwolves trade one player who isn't getting minutes so they can add two worse players who also won't get minutes, especially if they're only going to get a crummy pick out of the deal? They have tons of PG depth with Rubio back on the floor and nothing about Hans screams "Adelman player" to me. I agree that they would trade Williams if it helped them add parts that got them into the playoffs this year, but DJ/Hans are not​ those parts.
    It's debatable that either of Hansbrough or Augustin are worse than Williams, let alone both. Please, do look at how Williams has performed, not simply his draft position, lest I'll not be able to take your arguments seriously. Hansbrough and Augustin have at least had periods of being productive NBA players in their past. Derrick Williams has not, and with him now falling behind Bobcats' reject Dante Cunningham on the depth chart, it doesn't look like he will any time soon. Also, the Pacers first-round pick is currently in the late teens, I believe. I'd hardly qualify that as crummy. Given how awful Derrick Williams has been thus far, the pick, itself, may be more valuable. Williams is worse than Thabeet was at this same point in their respective careers.

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    You think Minny would give us D. Williams for Augustin and Hansbrough, I would even throw in a 2nd or 1st rounder, I think Williams needs a change of scenery then he can be a productive bench player

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    It's debatable that either of Hansbrough or Augustin are worse than Williams, let alone both. Please, do look at how Williams has performed, not simply his draft position, lest I'll not be able to take your arguments seriously. Hansbrough and Augustin have at least had periods of being productive NBA players in their past. Derrick Williams has not, and with him now falling behind Bobcats' reject Dante Cunningham on the depth chart, it doesn't look like he will any time soon. Also, the Pacers first-round pick is currently in the late teens, I believe. I'd hardly qualify that as crummy. Given how awful Derrick Williams has been thus far, the pick, itself, may be more valuable. Williams is worse than Thabeet was at this same point in their respective careers.
    For one thing, that sentence makes no sense at all. And for another, I would ask that you consider factors outside of current on-court performance when evaluating the value of a player as an asset. If you would do that, you would see that the pu pu platter of Hans/DJ (even with a non-lottery pick) isn't going to land you last year's #2 pick that has played only 50 games so far. Are you seriously comparing Williams with freaking Hasheem Thabeet? That is laughably preposterous.

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    It's debatable that either of Hansbrough or Augustin are worse than Williams, let alone both. Please, do look at how Williams has performed, not simply his draft position, lest I'll not be able to take your arguments seriously. Hansbrough and Augustin have at least had periods of being productive NBA players in their past. Derrick Williams has not, and with him now falling behind Bobcats' reject Dante Cunningham on the depth chart, it doesn't look like he will any time soon. Also, the Pacers first-round pick is currently in the late teens, I believe. I'd hardly qualify that as crummy. Given how awful Derrick Williams has been thus far, the pick, itself, may be more valuable. Williams is worse than Thabeet was at this same point in their respective careers.
    Thabeet: 1.1 pts, 1.6 rebs, .3 blks in his second yr
    Williams: 8.8 pts, 4.7 rebs, .7 blks.

    As disappointing as Williams is he isn't anywhere close to being a bust of historical proportions that Thabeet was..and really still is.

    I think a change of scenery would benefit Williams big time. He definitely has some talent IMO. I'd love the Pacers to acquire him.

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