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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    Also watched Something Borrowed typical chick flick, but full of characters who honestly deserve all the crap that happens to them. Even though it has somewhat of a happy ending, it really left me feeling pissed with the way it wrapped up. Its like she didn't learn a thing. Not surprised that John Krasinski and his character completely stole the movie from a humor stand point and saved this film. Even though he played a more minor role. The wrap up of his story line with his sudden confession was border line ridiculousness and just seemed thrown in at the end of the script and not thought out or hinted to at all in the previous scenes.

    I also am sorry to say I watched this movie. I often expect movie chracters to be dumb, but this movie was beyond that. And yes John Krasinski did steal the movie. But everyone else in the movie was too stupid to live

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      Really surprised that John Krasinski has not had more leading roles in movies in recent years. He had that one romantic comedy with Many Moore and Robin Williams. Then that one independent film with Maya Rudolph "Away we Go". Strange for such an actor who obviously has big screen talent to go largely unnoticed.
      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

        Another movie i am looking forward to watching but just won't shell the $5.99 to rent it on demand is "Cedar Rapids" with Ed Helms and John C Reilly. Looks like just one of those absurd comedies with a great cast doing their thing. only 89 minutes though, so I have hard time justifying the on demand price. I usually like my on demand moves to be over 90 minutes so I feel like our $6.00 was well spent. Might have to what until its on HBO, Cinemax, etc.... movie channels.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
          Another movie i am looking forward to watching but just won't shell the $5.99 to rent it on demand is "Cedar Rapids" with Ed Helms and John C Reilly. Looks like just one of those absurd comedies with a great cast doing their thing. only 89 minutes though, so I have hard time justifying the on demand price. I usually like my on demand moves to be over 90 minutes so I feel like our $6.00 was well spent. Might have to what until its on HBO, Cinemax, etc.... movie channels.
          I thinks that's available to stream on Netflix. If I get a chance to watch it over the next couple of days, I'll let you know how it is. It's not on Redbox?
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
            I thinks that's available to stream on Netflix. If I get a chance to watch it over the next couple of days, I'll let you know how it is. It's not on Redbox?
            Well we never really bother with Red box because we pretty much have every premium movie channel for free. Haven't been to a red box in several years.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

              Originally posted by ErikD. View Post
              I loved it. It may be because the old POTA's were on t.v. so much when I was a kid that the fondness for the story was already set in. I didn't check out any reviews on it beforehand so I didn't have too many expectations going into it. I thought that they did an excellent job with this movie. I happened to watch the original on Netflix a few months ago after not seeing it for years. I can't believe how bad of an actor Charlton Heston is. It's still worth going back to watch before going to see the new one so you can recognize a few of the parallels that are there.
              What??????


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                Se7en

                One of my favorites. 6/5
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                • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                  13 Assassins - Kind of comparable to Kill Bill 1 in that it's a ton of hit or miss build-up and then an intricately planned and executed battle scene that reigns supreme. Seriously, if you have Netflix, at least just watch the last 45 minutes. It's pretty spectacular. Though missing the defending-the-village element of Seven Samurai, it still owes a lot to that film in terms of having great fighting while keeping the editing tight enough so that you can actually follow the battle. I'll probably check out more of Miike's work.

                  Ordered Super a while ago (my review from back in April). It should be arriving with X-Men: F. Classbender next month.
                  You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    Well we never really bother with Red box because we pretty much have every premium movie channel for free. Haven't been to a red box in several years.
                    If you really want to see it I'd go to a redbox. It is only $1.

                    http://www.redbox.com/movies/cedar-rapids

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                    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                      Mortal Kombat & Mortal Kombat Annihilation
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                      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                        One thing I have never understood.

                        Why is Labor Day weekend so bad at the box office while Memorial Day weekend is so good. I realize they never open any blockbuster movies on Labor day weekend. But the studios would put their expected blockbuster movies on if they thought people were inclined to want to go to movies over Labor Day.

                        Anyone have any ideas?

                        You look at all the other holiday weekends and they are usually big. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, Memorial Day, 4th of July, even some of the lesser holidays boost the weekends, like Valentines day, and a few others.
                        Last edited by Unclebuck; 09-02-2011, 04:28 PM.

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                        • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          One thing I have never understood.

                          Why is Labor Day weekend so bad at the box office while Memorial Day weekend is so good. I realize they never start any blockbuster movies on Labor day weekend. But the studios would put their expected blockbuster movies on if they thought people were inclined to want to go to movies.

                          Anyone have any ideas?

                          You look at all the other holiday weekend and they are usually big. Thanksgiving, Christmas, News years, Memorial Day, 4th of July, even some of the lesser holidays boost the weekends, like Valentines day, and a few others.
                          I work on all those days.
                          Follow me at @Bluejbgold

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                          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                            Pir4tes - I had forgotten that I had watched this.

                            Insidious - The first half was pretty well done haunted house horror and the second half was silly 80s style creeper horror. I enjoyed it.

                            Attack the Block - Best movie of the year. (Disclaimer: haven't seen the new Harry Potter.) X-Men: First Class was poised to be my favorite film of this year, but AtB may surpass it with future viewings. It's just pitch ****ing perfect. An incredibly successful combination of The Goonies mixed with major elements from The Wire all wrapped up in a creatively executed alien invasion premise. As soon as it's available to purchase, I will do so. Haven't had my socks knocked off like that since District 9, bruv, believe it!
                            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                            • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                              Rise of the Planet of the Apes - it was better than that disaster of a movie with MarkyMark a few decades ago but I felt a bit disappointed...most likely cause of the hype it had gotten. The ending just seemed a bit empty.

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                              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                                I did rent Super last weekend. Yet again a movie where a guy wants to be a superhero is done in ways I wouldn't do it if it were me, or at least what I still want to see someone else do. Once again they made him weird and comedic, and in this case he and his partner were surprisingly psychotic at times, and the whole thing just had a weird (not to mention unexpectedly graphically violent) vibe to it. Still, it didn't suck or anything, but I won't be going out of my way to see it again.

                                Red State I rented this week, and it was just so-so. I'd have to watch it again to get too specific into the likes/dislikes right now, but I recall feeling like the writing just wasn't that great at times. Particularly how the climax is resolved.

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