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    Default European Pacer Fans: What do you think of Brexit?

    I'm not even close to an expert on it but the general consensus I keep reading is that it is going to devastate the British economy, the young people in general HATE it and the old people seem to have voted it into being. There's also speculation that the entire EU could, conveivably, collapse but I don't know how much validity I put in that. Any thoughts?

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    no idea, I'm from Crawfordsville. I know what it is but I'm an idiot and have no clue about the long term ramifications of it.

    what I wanna know is why all the fruit flavored candy doesn't taste like the actual fruit. banana, watermelon, cherry, all the great fruits. none of that candy, or juice, or "flavored water,", that does not taste like said fruits. we gotta fix this education gap in food sciences. make fruit flavors great again. I also ran over a cat today, I think, he came from the left and didn't come out the right. so those folks on Walnut Street, hey, keep a better eye one your cat.

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    Default Re: European Pacer Fans: What do you think of Brexit?

    I am not European but I work for a company that has a lot of overseas business partners - and they uniformly see it as a nightmare. In the end, the UK may just negotiate an association agreement with Europe that will keep things largely the same, but in the meantime there is a lot of uncertainty, and business hates uncertainty.

    My advice, if you have always wanted to see London go now, generally the exchange rate is brutal but now it is as low as it has ever been in three decades.
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    I am not European but I work for a company that has a lot of overseas business partners - and they uniformly see it as a nightmare. In the end, the UK may just negotiate an association agreement with Europe that will keep things largely the same, but in the meantime there is a lot of uncertainty, and business hates uncertainty.

    My advice, if you have always wanted to see London go now, generally the exchange rate is brutal but now it is as low as it has ever been in three decades.
    I was in London last year, and am currently in Europe. I was probably going to have to fly out of Heathrow anyway, so I might extend my trip a few days to explore the stuff I missed the first time around in England.

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    I'd like to hear what our Irish brethren would say, especially with how Scotland and Northern Ireland voted.

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    I'd like to hear what our Irish brethren would say, especially with how Scotland and Northern Ireland voted.
    Only seeing this now. It's an absolute disaster.

    For those of you who don't know, there is a border that goes through Ireland that splits six of the Ulster counties (called Northern Ireland, which is in the UK) and the remaining 26 are called the republic of Ireland. It will likely lead to border checks again and likely increase sectarian tension in the region which IMO is just what the Unionist (Pro UK) parties want.

    As for the UK, it is an archaic concept that only now people of Scotland and Northern Ireland are realising this. Scotland narrowly lost their referendum for independence only due to massive scaremongering from London. If it is held now, they will win their independence no problem.
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    I am not European but I work for a company that has a lot of overseas business partners - and they uniformly see it as a nightmare. In the end, the UK may just negotiate an association agreement with Europe that will keep things largely the same, but in the meantime there is a lot of uncertainty, and business hates uncertainty.

    My advice, if you have always wanted to see London go now, generally the exchange rate is brutal but now it is as low as it has ever been in three decades.
    Don't bother. I visited London last week and it's turned into a complete dive. Too expensive to get around, too big, **** pubs, **** restaurants. Avoid. Go somewhere else in Europe, preferably to smaller cities where you won't get ripped off.
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    Don't bother. I visited London last week and it's turned into a complete dive. Too expensive to get around, too big, **** pubs, **** restaurants. Avoid. Go somewhere else in Europe, preferably to smaller cities where you won't get ripped off.
    So what you are saying is it hasn't changed at all. Gotcha. London always felt similar to NYC to me (I have never lived in NYC, but from when I was visiting friends it had a vibe to it I found familiar).

    Generally my feeling was London would be amazing if you were rich, and sucked cause I wasn't.
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    I hope that it makes the EU leadership realize that they're not on the right path. I don't think that the UK will be the last country to leave. I know for a fact that if a referendum about EU membership was to happen in Greece right now there's a good chance that we would vote to leave as well. The EU has to change. It has to become more democratic, more inclusive and it has to do something about the economic inequality that's running rampant in the Union. It cannot keep legislating in favor of big businesses while not giving a rat's *** about its citizens. The vision of a United Europe was based on solidarity between the people and that's not what the current EU is doing.

    In another note, if that leads to Scottish independence and Irish re-unification then that's good. The right of nations to self-determination is a cardinal principle of modern international law.
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    I voted to stay in Europe. A large majority of people who voted out of Europe have done so purely on one or two "facts" that were raised by that campaign and didn't read up or educate themselves on other matters. A number of people who voted out are now regretting it and rightfully so.
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    I hope that it makes the EU leadership realize that they're not on the right path. I don't think that the UK will be the last country to leave. I know for a fact that if a referendum about EU membership was to happen in Greece right now there's a good chance that we would vote to leave as well. The EU has to change. It has to become more democratic, more inclusive and it has to do something about the economic inequality that's running rampant in the Union. It cannot keep legislating in favor of big businesses while not giving a rat's *** about its citizens. The vision of a United Europe was based on solidarity between the people and that's not what the current EU is doing.

    In another note, if that leads to Scottish independence and Irish re-unification then that's good. The right of nations to self-determination is a cardinal principle of modern international law.
    I agree Nuntius. The EU is a flawed entity but the alternative for the UK is much worse.
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    I agree Nuntius. The EU is a flawed entity but the alternative for the UK is much worse.
    If the alternative is people like Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson then yes it's worse. But I don't believe that this is the only alternative.
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    I hope that it makes the EU leadership realize that they're not on the right path. I don't think that the UK will be the last country to leave. I know for a fact that if a referendum about EU membership was to happen in Greece right now there's a good chance that we would vote to leave as well. The EU has to change. It has to become more democratic, more inclusive and it has to do something about the economic inequality that's running rampant in the Union. It cannot keep legislating in favor of big businesses while not giving a rat's *** about its citizens. The vision of a United Europe was based on solidarity between the people and that's not what the current EU is doing.
    I think that's a good solid case for making reforms in the EU. Sadly, it doesn't seem like these were the issues in the minds of most of the people who voted for Brexit.

    Btw, Farage's address to the European Parliament was something else.

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    I think that's a good solid case for making reforms in the EU. Sadly, it doesn't seem like these were the issues in the minds of most of the people who voted for Brexit.
    I don't live in the UK so I do not know exactly what was said there during the campaign. But yes, from what I've heard a lot of the stuff that they were told was BS.

    Still, I cannot castigate the people who voted to leave since I'd probably also vote to leave if Greece held a similar referendum. Our reasons would be entirely different (and the reasons why you vote what you vote certainly are important) but it would be hypocritical of me to castigate them for it.

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    Btw, Farage's address to the European Parliament was something else.
    It's not the first time he has been extremely inflammatory, to be honest.
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    Farage is a total opportunist bellend. The Leave campaign never engaged in any sort of debate on what their strategy was for leaving the EU. Just harped on about "immugrints" and made up figures about how much money they'd save outside of the EU. Bureaucrats like Johnson have just used the working classes to seize power for themselves.

    Johnson gave his victory speech to the press the morning of the result outside his f#ckoff mansion. Give me a break.
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    Farage is a total opportunist bellend. The Leave campaign never engaged in any sort of debate on what their strategy was for leaving the EU. Just harped on about "immugrints" and made up figures about how much money they'd save outside of the EU. Bureaucrats like Johnson have just used the working classes to seize power for themselves.

    Johnson gave his victory speech to the press the morning of the result outside his f#ckoff mansion. Give me a break.
    I'm really disappointed that it was people like them that ended up being the face of the Leave campaign. I refuse to believe that everyone who voted to Leave listened to those two tools and wanted to leave due to the BS that those two spewed up. I want to believe that some more serious voices who talked about real issues (like social inequality, austerity and worker's rights) existed within the Leave camp but they just didn't get any publicity.
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    I'm really disappointed that it was people like them that ended up being the face of the Leave campaign. I refuse to believe that everyone who voted to Leave listened to those two tools and wanted to leave due to the BS that those two spewed up. I want to believe that some more serious voices who talked about real issues (like social inequality, austerity and worker's rights) existed within the Leave camp but they just didn't get any publicity.
    Issues like worker's rights have never been and never will be at the forefront of the Conservative party's policies regardless of EU membership or not.
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    Issues like worker's rights have never been and never will be at the forefront of the Conservative party's policies regardless of EU membership or not.
    Obviously. I wasn't talking about the Conservative party here. In fact, I was talking about the opposite
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