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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

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  • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

    Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
    That was the point I made with my earlier post. The Grizzlies got to where they were OVER TIME. The Pacers are just 3 seasons removed from the lottery, we are at the BEGINNING of the process that a team like Memphis is currently at the end of.

    They got to where they are by being willing to take a step back. I was here on this board when they traded Pau. Do you have any idea how lambasted they were? They were killed as the worst franchise ever, it's the worst trade in history they cried. They are better than us now. They risked going from good, to never being good again. They are now being rewarded by being better than they ever were before. It's a long term game fellas. I don't say good as a compliment, being just good isn't good enough. You have to aspire to be great. If you ever get to a place where you are stuck at good and can't get better, ala the Pau Grizzlies team, you tear it down and try again. You risk not getting back to where you started, but you also have a chance to become great.

    We are only at the beginning if you consider the beginning the good, but not great, Grizzlies teams the beginning. We are good. We are, with Danny back we're a 50 win team. Good. We aren't great. We won't win a championship. We need to take a risk, such as they did, and try to be great. I'm not saying we gotta give our best player away for picks, the Memphis route isn't the only one, but we can't do nothing either. Simply resigning our guys and not adding talent will not get us there.

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    • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      West was a risk and they got an A for it, Green and Ian was not a risk it was a bad decision, trading DC was not a risk but a ridiculous decision and George Hill was not a risk, a lot of people knew that he had the potential to be the players he is, I wanted to trade a pick for him for a long time.
      What's the difference between a bad decision and a risk that ends badly?

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      • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

        Miami Heat

        Unless you consider cornering the superstar market and acquiring 3 of the best players available in a stacked year a risk, they didn't take any. They grabbed their superstars and surrounded them with veterans and shooters.


        Of course this was a risk. It's not like it was a forgone conclusion they were all going to sign with the Heat. Chicago was in the running. New York was in the running. New Jersey was in the running. If they jettisoned all that cap space they did in preparation and instead got say... oh... Amare on an overpaid contract exactly as what happened to the Knicks, then they aren't winning a title in Miami.

        Dallas Mavericks

        They signed Tyson Chandler to a core that had been there at least 2 years. That is hardly a risk, as he was a known quantity at the defensive end. They had had years of being mostly first and second round exits, with a couple longer trips thrown in. Sounds like the kind of team you hate.


        So they didn't take a risk on bringing in Tyson fresh off injury or the nearly mummified Jason Kidd in hopes he could still hoop at 90 years old? Wrong again. I remember LOTS of people saying Jason didn't have any game yet and that Tyson was overpaid.

        LA Lakers x2

        They have money to spend and exist in a warm climate area. Dont tell me the Lakers take risks. They literally sit back and wait until superstars become malcontent on other teams and take on their big expensive contracts because teams don't want to lose them for nothing. It is what they have done for years, they buy their players. They don't really draft them. I suppose you could say it's a risk, but it's really not since it's been proven superstars will almost always choose LA over other teams.


        It wasn't a risk to bring in Ron Artest? This is the last place I should have to explain the risks of that. It wasn't risky to trade for Nash and Dwight? Look how well that's going for them. Sure, they have advantages, but let's not pretend they don't make risky moves to get better.

        Boston Celtics

        Added Kevin Garnett and and Ray Allen to Paul Pierce and a very good defenisve point guard in Rondo. They gave up expiring contracts, draft picks, and spare parts for 2 of the better players at their position in the game.


        They collected all those expiring contracts and draft picks and sucked hardcore along the way. They risked Paul demanding a trade, they risked their fan base, what if all that sucking didn't give them the 5th pick which they flipped for KG, what if the lottery gave them the 12th pick. Now they sucked and gutted their roster....but they don't have KG and Ray Ray to show for it. No risk? Are you serious?

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        • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

          This is mind boggling. Every move a team makes is a risk. From the Murphleavy trade to Hibbert, it's all a risk. The more risk you take doesn't equate to a championship and to try and quantify risk level is beyond stupid.

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          • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

            Also on the Celtics: what if our management wasn't bad at drafting and we got Rondo while they got Shawne Williams. How many titles do they have now? zero.

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            • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

              Originally posted by billbradley View Post
              What's the difference between a bad decision and a risk that ends badly?
              Is it coincidence that the only risk he sees is the one that he eventually saw the light and admitted he was wrong on?
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                This is mind boggling. Every move a team makes is a risk. From the Murphleavy trade to Hibbert, it's all a risk. The more risk you take doesn't equate to a championship and to try and quantify risk level is beyond stupid.
                Of course you can quantify risk. Trading your best player for a draft pick is clearly a bigger risk than trading your 6th best player for the same pick.

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                • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                  Originally posted by Dece View Post
                  Of course you can quantify risk. Trading your best player for a draft pick is clearly a bigger risk than trading your 6th best player for the same pick.
                  What if it's the best choice you have? Either take the best trade or get nothing. There are so many variables, you can't quantify moves so simply.

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                  • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                    Originally posted by Dece View Post
                    Also on the Celtics: what if our management wasn't bad at drafting and we got Rondo while they got Shawne Williams. How many titles do they have now? zero.
                    Dang, 20 other teams have bad management...

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                    • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                      Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                      What's the difference between a bad decision and a risk that ends badly?
                      A risk that ends badly has as much or more upside than the downside. For instance trading an all star Dale Davis for a young Jermaine Oneal. We gave up an all star for a guy who won often injured in his early career, was averaging something like 5/5 in 10 minutes a game, and was a malcontent who demanded he be traded. If he remained the player who couldn't get off the bench in Portland or if his knees kept bothering him (although that came back eventually sadly) it would have been a risk that ended badly. Instead we gave up an all star and got an MVP candidate.

                      Letting Collison go for nothing has no upside, it isn't a risk. Giving up Kawhi for Hill was a risk, I agree there, but resigning your own players isn't a risk... they are your players.

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                      • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                        Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                        What's the difference between a bad decision and a risk that ends badly?
                        Signing a player that was drafted five years ago and has not done anything since been drafted to a long term deal is a bad decision, trading a good backup PG with value for a career backup center and giving that player a long term deal is a bad decision.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                          Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                          What if it's the best choice you have? Either take the best trade or get nothing. There are so many variables, you can't quantify moves so simply.

                          That is the typical blue and gold excuse, "they did not have other choices", yep they only had cap space, pieces and picks but "they did not have other choices".....
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                            Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                            What's the difference between a bad decision and a risk that ends badly?
                            Hindsight.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                              Originally posted by Dece View Post
                              A risk that ends badly has as much or more upside than the downside. For instance trading an all star Dale Davis for a young Jermaine Oneal. We gave up an all star for a guy who won often injured in his early career, was averaging something like 5/5 in 10 minutes a game, and was a malcontent who demanded he be traded. If he remained the player who couldn't get off the bench in Portland or if his knees kept bothering him (although that came back eventually sadly) it would have been a risk that ended badly. Instead we gave up an all star and got an MVP candidate.

                              Letting Collison go for nothing has no upside, it isn't a risk. Giving up Kawhi for Hill was a risk, I agree there, but resigning your own players isn't a risk... they are your players.
                              So then you agree, when the right risk come along we take it. Trading AD was a risk. Trading JO for picks and TJ was also a risk. I'm not sure what you are trying to debate.
                              Last edited by billbradley; 12-18-2012, 06:53 PM.

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                              • Re: Thunder/Pacers discussed Harden deal

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                That is the typical blue and gold excuse, "they did not have other choices", yep they only had cap space, pieces and picks but "they did not have other choices".....
                                Was actually using that for the Gasol trade. The Cavs took a risk keeping LBJ. It would of been a risk to trade him to. That's why this risk talk is so stupid.

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