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    Default What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    I originally was going to post this within an already created thread, but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted to make as poll in order to see what other PD'ers thought.

    With Roy Hibbert and George Hill already locked up in long term contracts (for better or worse) and PG coming up for an extension next season, this trade deadline (and eventually this offseason) could very well shape the Pacers roster for the immediate future.

    With that said, I think the FO needs to make a decision on what we're going to do. Because as we stand now, we're either going to barely make the playoffs, and lose in the first round, or we're going to barely MISS the playoffs, have a mid level draft pick, and stand the chance of losing our most important player THIS season (David West) for nothing. At 33, he's going to rightfully want to win NOW.

    I know we're awaiting Danny's return. But I'm not so sure we can count on a player with what sounds like a somewhat serious knee injury to come in and help us be very competitive. I'm not saying that it can't happen, but at this point it's a "best case possible" scenario, so I feel its smart to plan for him to either not come back this year, or plan for him to come back but not be able to give us the consistent 18+ ppg that we need.

    With that said, we have to ask ourselves. Are we in "win-now" mode?

    If so then we need to look to move one or two of our cheap bench expiring contracts, package them with a draft pick, and try to pick up a decent bench player that can contribute for the rest of the season. A lot of non playoff teams are going to look to get under that luxury tax threshold, and draft picks are always valuable. I believe if we can add a consistent and capable player to our bench (preferably on the wing/at the point) then I think we could easily be a 5 seed. Considering Danny's injury, I would think that our season was fairly successful with a 4-5 seed.

    If we aren't in "win-now" mode, then I say we shut Danny down for the rest of the season, and look to move West for some younger players and a draft pick. Not a popular choice by any means, and he very well could WANT to return to this team next yr. BUT...there will be many contenders/playoff teams that could use a player like West. If we could somehow snag a few young players still on rookie deals, plus a draft pick, then it may be wise to call this season a loss, and try for a quick rebuild with younger players. If we were able to get a few young players, we may still be able to sneak into the playoffs as an 8 seed. The only difference would be that we'd have a two draft picks and a few new young players to supplement a returning Danny Granger. We could very well be right back on track NEXT season.

    I'm honestly torn on what I think we should do. I really like David West on this team, and I'd like to think that Danny coming back and moving Lance to the bench will push us to the 4/5 seed range. But I look at the overall talent level on this team, and compare it to other teams that are at, and around our level (PHI, DEN, UTA, etc) nd they seem to have some hope for the immediate future, be it young talent or cap space. We seemingly had both just a season ago, but one seemingly below average offseason, and one injury to Danny later, and we're back to being a .500 team.

    So what do YOU think is the best route for the Pacers moving forward?

    1. Look to move our draft pick in order to make a trade for a competent bench player?
    2. Look to move West for younger pieces/draft picks?
    3. Stand-pat, wait for Danny to come back.
    4. Other (with an explanation)

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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    I think we should trade Hibbert while his value is still decent. I never approved of us giving him that kind of money so I cringe at the thought of it eating our cap space for the next 5 years.

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    West and DJ for Bledsoe, Odom and pick.
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    West and DJ for Bledsoe, Odom and pick.
    I gave you a thanks, but the Clips have a really good PF. West isn't coming off the bench. I'm with you though, Bledsoe would be very very nice.
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    I gave you a thanks, but the Clips have a really good PF. West isn't coming off the bench. I'm with you though, Bledsoe would be very very nice.
    They would play a 3 man rotation of Griffin, Jordan and West in playoffs. West would get plenty of minutes and his beloved Chris Paul would be feeding him. This would give them a huge chance of winning the the WCF. It's a win win for Clips. But what do I know...
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    (And specifically to the point of this thread, we should make a minor trade to improve the backup PG spot for the reasons listen above).

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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    T. hans and DJ for DC2 and D. Jones?

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    T. hans and DJ for DC2 and D. Jones?
    Why is that green?

    Do it Pritchard. lolz
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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    Look, even if Granger comes back, it's gonna take time for him to get into the flow of the game. Even if he comes back and doesn't need time, the bench simply isn't going to allow the Pacers to win a playoff series.

    West should be traded as his value is sky high. Getting young pieces can really help this franchise moving forward. It'll also save money allowing the Pacers to try and sign a PF through FA. Pacers really need to keep some cap flexibility. That'll allow them to help facilitate trades and get pieces that can really help. And it would allow for a bit more money to spend on that terrible *** bench.
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    As long as we have the team of Walsh and Pritchard in charge I really don't want them to do anything unless gift lands in their laps. These are the guys that though the moves they made during the summer were an upgrade. Any more upgrading and we'll be out of the playoffs in in long term salary cap hell.
    I'd rather wait it out until this summer when I hope Walsh has retired.

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    Sorry buddy... I can't answer this poll yet... Because it really depends on how we look when that time comes for me...

    If we have the same or worse winning percentage and look lotto bound I trade west for younger talent and or picks...

    If we lead the central and have the 3rd seed or higher I stand pat and wait for Danny...

    God knows where we'll be... Buckle up!
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    Losing David West would kill us this year. He's definitely our best player. I wouldn't mind seeing us going after a FA back up point guard. One guy I'd look at is Delonte West. I know he's had his fair share of off-court issues but he would be useful.

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    If the right trade can be done come the 15th, they should do it as if Danny will be back. With that said, I think it would be smart to be patient till mid January when most all players will be eligible for trade and perhaps we'll know where Danny is with his knee. He may play several games around that time. I have to think that if Danny gets back that things will turn around. Hibbert should have it easier with Danny out there and thus everyone else will too. If by trade deadline, things haven't changed then West has to be traded to a contender for a asset and pick. I'm not concerned with DJ, Hans and the other bench warmers as they prolly will only hurt us in a trade. Ian isn't going anywhere and Green isn't gonna get any return, only a worse contract more then likely.

    I guess, I have to say It's just to early to get to hasty with the roster, but the FO should be working the phones for deals and possible future deals.

    Just my first thought anyways.
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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    I agree with those that say it's too early to make any determinations. When I say wait till the deadline, I literally mean wait until late Jan, early/mid Feb before making any moves.

    My thing is I feel that these are decisions we're gonna have to make eventually. Maybe we'll improve enough by the time the deadline comes around, but given the fact we've played the second easiest schedule in the league thus far, I think it's a safer assumption to think we'll still be hovering around .500 by the time the deadline comes up as well.

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    I can't vote because I do not want to shop 1st round draft picks. Especially in a season in which we expect to have a worse than normal record. Just look at who the Colts got in a similar situation when Edge was injured, they got Dwight Freeney.

    Also if we do trade West it better be for good value. Not late picks, or average players with little to no potential.

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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    I said shop West but that's obviously not going to happen. Even if we did that's not going to be some cure all. Teams that would want West are contenders, or at least think they are. Those teams aren't full of young potential studs waiting to get dealt.

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    I said shop West but that's obviously not going to happen. Even if we did that's not going to be some cure all. Teams that would want West are contenders, or at least think they are. Those teams aren't full of young potential studs waiting to get dealt.
    Some contenders have young pieces that could interests the Pacers, San Antonio could probably send Spliter+Leonard+pieces for West, OKC could do Lamb+ Maynor+pieces for him, Denver? maybe Boston?

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    Some contenders have young pieces that could interests the Pacers, San Antonio could probably send Spliter+Leonard+pieces for West, OKC could do Lamb+ Maynor+pieces for him, Denver? maybe Boston?
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    You beat me to it.
    Nets have some pieces too. Humphries + Brooks + Pick for West + Tyler
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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    IMO, I would try to pry Millsap from Utah. They have four bigs they won't be able to pay. They have Bird Rights on him and if we traded for Millsap we would obtain his Bird Rights. Right now, that is so much more important to us than anything else, because we are going to be over the cap and relegated to MLE players or worse. Millsap IMO is going to get a deal in the 10-12M per year range, similar to Granger and Iguadala, but for four years. I don't know that the Jazz would actually make Millsap available, however and worry about what to do with their cap space after they sign him long-term. They also have to sign Jefferson, so they may have to make a decision on one of them. IMO, they should keep Jefferson, because he is more of a foundational player and Kanter and Favors will be able to be more positionally flexibile with Jefferson.

    IMO, I think the Pacers cap situation has been set up with a succinct plan going forward. The way that a lot of these contracts line up makes them affordable to keep going forward. Here is what I would do:

    I would trade for Millsap by sending Hansborough, our unprotected first, and Augustin. I think they could warrant signing both Jefferson and a much cheaper Hansborough and then give more minutes to Favors and Kanter and still have a great big rotation.

    I would offer West a four year, $28M contract. This is probably a discount for us in year one, but I don't foresee someone giving West a monster four year deal. I could see a two year deal in the 20-24M range, but then he will probably be relegated to smaller veteran deals as a 35 year old free agent. West will probably get offered the full MLE by a contender, so our offer of $7M per year pays him more than a contender could, yet gives West a little more longevity playing for a good team than a bad team with cap space is going to offer on a shorter deal. I think Millsap could help West be effective longer into his career. I think West is a consummate pro and would still get his 30 minutes per night. And we know he takes care of himself physically, so that makes me feel much better about paying him for four years.

    I would also resign Millsap for roughly four years and $44M. Millsap can move over and play SF to spell Granger and we can really shorten our rotation to four bigs/five front court players. Adding in three guards gives us a bad *** eight man rotation (Hill, George, and Lance?). Nine-man if you add Green for minutes during the regular season.

    I let Granger walk at the end of his deal and pay George. That or I would see if Granger would be willing to take something in the range of $6-7M, which is what we could afford. I would focus on drafting some wings and ball handlers over the next couple of years and the potential to make another trade if Plumlee develops well. Think a Mahinmi trade to free up cash to pay Granger if healthy.

    I just think that we have such managable contracts at this point, that we can be a sub-Luxury Tax team and still put out a very good rotation. I ran the numbers on all of these scenarios with future draft pick salaries and we can stay under the cap if we don't just throw money at guys. I'm looking at you Donnie and Pritch.

    Rotation:

    PG - Hill, Lance, -- Ben H.
    SG - George, -- Green, Johnson
    SF - Granger, -- Young,
    PF - West, Millsap, -- Pendergraph
    C - Hibbert, Mahinmi, -- Plumlee
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    I said shop West but that's obviously not going to happen. Even if we did that's not going to be some cure all. Teams that would want West are contenders, or at least think they are. Those teams aren't full of young potential studs waiting to get dealt.
    West to OKC for Lamb, Jackson, PJIII.

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    West to OKC for Lamb, Jackson, PJIII.

    Just sayin. hahahaha
    That's not a bad trade. I think OKC would jump all over that. If I was the Pacers though, I'd have to ask for one of the 1st round picks they got from Houston. So more like a Lamb, PJIII, Nick Collison and future 1st.

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    We need to fix the bench, first and foremost.

    If we trade West, I'll probably lose any interest I had in the rest of the season.

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    If West were to get traded the offense would REALLY suck. Which maybe wouldn't be the worst thing honestly.

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    Default Re: What should the Pacers do at the upcoming trade deadline?

    Move heaven and earth to get any of JJ Reddick, Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow those types because we severely lack a consistent scorer and any of these guys would be a huge bonus to the bench mob
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